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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    Quote Originally Posted by mike0396  View Original Post
    Well chaps, the verdict is now in for the poor bastards silly enough to have purchased the 60 m upgrade in Australia. Get ready for this one.

    Price in Australia as follows:

    6 > 7 upgrade complete $5800
    6 > 7 upgrade e module only $4400
    6 already with 60m kit > 7 $5300

    What a bargin! I smell a class action of litigation coming on here. This is way beyond ridiculous!

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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    Quote Originally Posted by mike0396  View Original Post
    Price in Australia as follows:

    6 > 7 upgrade e module only $4400
    Is that USD? Even if it is AUD it is kinda feisty. Especially since you have 10% VAT?

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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    I´m speachless to see so much astounishing TECHNICAL improvements made on this Se7ven, comparing to the MK VI that i can hardly imagine what the OCToigon Poseidon will look like
    Certainly voice and iris activated controls, alowing the user access range to the STAGGERING depth of 110 meters...imediate acess to tablet and mobile phone (IPHONE comaptibility) dive logs and deco models, and the voice of SIRI always present and available throughout the dives...but not only.
    Of course possible upgrade certainly available to all Poseidon Se7ven and KITs for historical machines formerly known as "DISCOs" available at REASONABLY modest price, including at no extra cost, customer motivational and tunel vision, Poseidon brand fidelity KIT...

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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeppe_E  View Original Post
    Is that USD? Even if it is AUD it is kinda feisty. Especially since you have 10% VAT?
    No, AUS dollars. At the moment, AUS$4,400 = US$4,000.

    I can think of a few more words other than feisty!

    How about extortion, shakedown, racket, ....

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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Wright  View Original Post
    Hilarious. The upgrade to dive beyond 60m costs more than most good condition used eccr's. Why not keep the mk6 or 7 for recreational and get a second hand Inspo/Evo/Revo/JJ etc for deep stuff. That way you also have a unit to use when you can't get th mk6/7 through the self test :P
    +1

    I bought a used ( 2013 25hrs) APD vision for 5500Euro. added a G-box after the yellow crap box broke.

    My MKVI's now sits in the corner for most dives these days.

    I will no longer support Poseidon. I really feel they are screwing their customers.
    Poseidon announcing the 60m upgrade on the MKVI and then a couple months later bringing out the VII was just shameful in my eyes!




    The reputation of the company is at risk, I sure hope they have smarter people leading the company in the future.



    Good Luck Poseidon!



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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    Iv got talk with Poseidon and words I heard wasn't ok for me - as I understand for Poseidon "upgrade same total price" not applicable to this case - because Se7en is not Tec (no second head, comp etc.) - even if they wrote Se7en replaces Tec!

    Right now "upgrade same total price" means for Poseidon you can buy tec reb (Se7ven) for no more money than MK6 upgraded to tech (60m)....

    I made my offer to Poseidon distributor and wait - but right now Im totally disapionted this situation any my trust to company is very very low.

    I think last year they made few marketing steps that not help - if we stop believe in their products as satisfied MK6 customers how they plan sell Se7en Only bad words I heard on MK6 was its not real rebreather and it can be only rec - right now to this words from other brands ccr users join mk6 users that fell they was f... soI think Poseidon forgot that rebreathers are sold not at shop like iPhone but mostly by recommendation on forums, friends and other users becasue training and unit costs are not low.

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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    Okidok, since we're obviously spending big money, here's my five dollars...

    The only real figures I have come across by now are the following:

    Upgrade my MkVI with new head, new cover and handle, new BOV - 3300£
    or
    Get a Seven without tanks to do the same - 5820£

    So...

    In other words, when I finished the math:
    What I already have is just 2520£ worth...?!?
    Where can I send my bill for my services for doing the beta-testing for the seven - as all MkVI users obviously did...?!?

    Retail-prices for the MkVI will not plummet - they already did...
    A full kit including cage, backplate, wing, harness, refillable scrubber and a 2012-model which doesn't even have 20 hours on it...
    I would have thought that 5000CHF is a fair price...
    Obviously it's no more...

    Who would buy a used MkVI for about 4500€ (let's assume it's a complete system with backplate, wing etc, ready to dive) to spend more than 3300£ to upgrade it to be able to do... - what exactly? Communicate by bluetooth instead infrared...? And then invest some more money to upgrade it in the future to make it *perhaps* more tech-capable than it is now...?
    Which in my opinion requires at least a third and integrated cell so you can abort a dive on the unit in case of cell failure, and for my application possible user-interaction while in-water and a user-defined set-point so the unit's not wasting that much gas when in overhead-conditions and deco-mode.
    Coming when...?
    If...?
    No-one, that's who...!

    If I stick to Poseidon and go all the way with them, I could have bought a Meg or a JJ in the first place.
    Maybe my learning curve would have needed to be steeper in the beginning, and I would have needed to invest more money in the first place, but I would have had a fully capable unit straight from the start. *I* would have been the limit, where as now, the MkVI has become the limit. And that won't change by upgrading to Seven...

    Though some people would have never thought to hear this coming from me:
    But as I hear things right now, I'm on the market for a KISS...
    But...
    I'm still open for some positive surprises... :)

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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    This is exactly why I dive a rebreather that doesn't depend entirely on a single manufacturer. Learned that lesson with APD years ago. It seems the model is to get people to buy into their units at an arguably reasonable price, and then totally screw customers once they have a monopoly on proprietary sorftware, hardware, sensors, service, etc.

    I've had my gripes with Poseidon advertising in the past (for safety representations), and this just goes to show that they really don't think enough about these issues before marketing them.

    Sorry for all the Poseidon customers out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomaszgrzyb  View Original Post
    I think Poseidon forgot that rebreathers are sold not at shop like iPhone but mostly by recommendation on forums, friends and other users becasue training and unit costs are not low.
    Actually the Mk VI was the first rebreather to change this around so that it was primarily a shop sold rebreather. It was the first of the PADI type R certified rebreathers and was designed as an in-shop up-sell.

    The whole premise of the type R rebreather is that it's sitting in most dive shop windows and doesn't require the diver to hunt down information from specialised locations. The type R meant that instead of the local shop monkey saying that a rebreather (which they wouldn't make money off as they had none to sell and weren't qualified to teach courses on) was a one way ticket to death, it suddenly became the pathway to close animal interactions, hours of dive time, huge commissions, peace and quiet underwater and a variety of other wonderful things that in general promised a further income stream. Suddenly there is a reason to increase the knowledge of a piece of equipment with the goal of satisfying all the customers needs in store. If the customer is happy with the sales person why would they need to explore further?

    As such, even though Poseidon are (rightly) coping a lot of crap on the dive forums it's unlikely to have a big effect on sales. The area where they could be hurt most by this is the dive magazines where the recreational divers gather their information. With the small number of dive magazines actually available it would take an extremely brave editor to risk the advertising/advertorial income stream to question Poseidon in an area that could have an effect on this group of customers. In reality it's "Look at the shiny new CCR that proves Poseidon are innovating. Look how clever Poseidon are - not only do they have a COOL new way of writing se7en but they have 7 new improvements (even though some of these seem to be doubled up) to match the new model no. Oh my GOD! the stars must have aligned for all this to come together so fortuitously."

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    Re: Poseidon Se7en

    Quote Originally Posted by tomaszgrzyb  View Original Post
    Iv got talk with Poseidon and words I heard wasn't ok for me - as I understand for Poseidon "upgrade same total price" not applicable to this case - because Se7en is not Tec (no second head, comp etc.) - even if they wrote Se7en replaces Tec!

    Hate to be the one that says "I told you so"

    Lets divide the MkVI divers into three groups

    1. The Divers who will actually dive deeper than 60m with the MkVI
    2. The Divers who wont dive deeper than 60m and stick to the MkVI + 60m upgrade
    3. The Divers who wont dive deeper than 60m but still wants the new head because it is new and have some nifty features

    Group 1: Well, basically it sucks at first appearance. But remember that you cannot compare what you have paid so far with the price of a seven, with the Deep battery and the tech CL's. You also need to take into consideration doing the same upgrades on a seven as you have done on your MkVI (or you are doing zero to hero in a year?) So compare what a new diver that purchase the Seven, and wonders of down the upgrade route to end up with a Poseidon Seven Deep. Now take the base price of your MkVI add the same upgrades and you will probably end up with a difference of about $1500. Now, this is crap, if you are a fairly new customer that just purchased the breather or it is not really what they said, but you have already dived the unit for 2 years and now you get a new breather for $1500 with new warranty.

    Group 2: You really dont care about the seven, as you have no use for it.

    Group 3: I want the new cool model, I want the Bluetooth and the fisher connections, why do I need to pay $3300 for that. It is UNRESONABLE! Oh, nope, I will not dive deeper than 60m but I WANT the new shiny head.

    Unfortunately, i think this will have a huge impact on the existing group of MkVI divers. Many will try and get rid of their units to people who will dive it recreational or even technical to 60 meters and dont care about upgrading it further. But one thing that I think has gotten lost in this mayhem, is the fact that you might have chosen the MkVI because of the travel friendly weight, or the technology behind it or just because it is a nice rebreather.. and guess what... it still is.

    The new owners doesn't have to be concerned about all this fuzz, their units is already fully upgradeable. i dont think the new customers will care that some of their old customers are angry over the fact that the marketing was done poorly and that they couldnt deliver what they said in the beginning. Poseidon needs to provide a direct comparison between getting a seven, doing all the upgrades to 100m so that everyone can see what the additional cost for taking the scienic route with the MkVI will be.

    In fact, the jungle drums are already saying that there is quite a few that already has ordered the upgrade.

    But at the same time I feel bad for those that feel cheated and are angry for the upgrade pricing. It would have been an okay price if you where to keep your old head as a backup. But Poseidon is like all other companies in it for the money, there is no charity. But again, they really need to work on their marketing.... REALLY!

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