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    Intīl help needed from Spain.

    Hello all,

    This is a call for having some help from divers of different countries, specially those in the EU.

    Divers in Spain doing dives from the coast/beach are being harrassed & penalized in certain spots, because the Spanish dive regulations require to have at all times a stand-by boat when diving.

    Yes, this may sound weird, but we think that the lawyers just copy&pasted many of the requirements from the commercial/military diving.

    Up to now, this requirement has been ignored for years, but in the current economic crisis, some diving centers, having their income drastically reduced, are calling the Police or Civil Guards in order to impede beach dives.

    Of course, this behaviour of the diving centers has nothing to do with the divers safety as thousands of beach dices are routinely performed and there are not noticeable incidents, but with their own money interests.

    We are preparing a document, that will be sent to authorities, in order to modify the law, and one of our main points will be that in most countries, either there is no specific recreational diving regulations or there is no requirement for a stand-by boat.

    So if you are willing to help, please let me know in a mp or within this thread:

    1. Your country.
    2. Is there any specific law for recreational scuba?
    3. If so, does the law require a stand by boat.

    Thanks in advance!

    PD:

    If you want to check the Spanish dive forum where we are dealing with this: FORO DE BUCEO DEPORTIVO • Ver Tema - Ataque a los que bucean de infantería en la Herradura

    The Sanish Diving law is linked here: ndice

    Article 24 deals with recreational diving, the stand-by boat is required under article 16.

    Once again thanks.

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    In the United Kingdom there is no such law for recreational scuba. A safety boat is not, therefore, a requirement.

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrespp  View Original Post
    Hello all,

    This is a call for having some help from divers of different countries, specially those in the EU.

    Divers in Spain doing dives from the coast/beach are being harrassed & penalized in certain spots, because the Spanish dive regulations require to have at all times a stand-by boat when diving.

    Yes, this may sound weird, but we think that the lawyers just copy&pasted many of the requirements from the commercial/military diving.

    Up to now, this requirement has been ignored for years, but in the current economic crisis, some diving centers, having their income drastically reduced, are calling the Police or Civil Guards in order to impede beach dives.

    Of course, this behaviour of the diving centers has nothing to do with the divers safety as thousands of beach dices are routinely performed and there are not noticeable incidents, but with their own money interests.

    We are preparing a document, that will be sent to authorities, in order to modify the law, and one of our main points will be that in most countries, either there is no specific recreational diving regulations or there is no requirement for a stand-by boat.

    So if you are willing to help, please let me know in a mp or within this thread:

    1. Your country.
    2. Is there any specific law for recreational scuba?
    3. If so, does the law require a stand by boat.

    Thanks in advance!

    PD:

    If you want to check the Spanish dive forum where we are dealing with this: FORO DE BUCEO DEPORTIVO • Ver Tema - Ataque a los que bucean de infantería en la Herradura

    The Sanish Diving law is linked here: ndice

    Article 24 deals with recreational diving, the stand-by boat is required under article 16.

    Once again thanks.
    Hi my spanish is not very good, but isn't it under article 24 § 13? - is there any regulations for the stand-by boat apart from the flag Alpha? I remember doing shore dives with a 2,6 m inflatable as surface bouyo...

    In Denmark we donīt have regulations for recreational diving demanding a safety boat, but we are required to dive with flag Alpha present when diving from a boat and we have areas where diving requires permission or is not allowed at all.

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    Thank you guys!

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrespp  View Original Post
    So if you are willing to help, please let me know in a mp or within this thread:

    1. Your country.
    2. Is there any specific law for recreational scuba?
    3. If so, does the law require a stand by boat.

    Once again thanks.
    1. Sweden
    2. No
    3. See 2. and there are no other laws demanding stand by boats during recreational diving.

    De nada, amigo.

    /Tomas

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    Sorry...but it would be very useful to count with the info from France, Portugal and Italy as well...

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrespp  View Original Post

    1. Your country.
    2. Is there any specific law for recreational scuba?
    3. If so, does the law require a stand by boat.
    1. South Africa
    2. Some laws apply when diving in Marine Protected Areas. None outside.
    3. A stand by boat is never required, not even in a Marine Protected Area

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    1.- Basque Country
    2.- if so, i pass the law under/between my lengs.
    3.- a boat of tomate. (boat=bote)

    Hola Andres.

    Solo un poquito de humor para pasar la tarde mas animado.

    Just some fun.

    Keep on this, it is time to change some things in Spain.

    Best

    Mikel

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    [QUOTE=andrespp;362295]Hello all,


    1. Your country.
    France
    2. Is there any specific law for recreational scuba?
    Yes
    3. If so, does the law require a stand by boat.
    no

    Hope this helped!

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    Re: Intīl help needed from Spain.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrespp  View Original Post
    1. Your country.
    2. Is there any specific law for recreational scuba?
    3. If so, does the law require a stand by boat.
    1. France
    2. yes, however, it only applies if you dive with a dive organisation (dive shop, boat operator, club). It's not applicable to cave diving either. So cave diving, shore diving, and diving from your own boat are not covered by that law.
    3. no.

    Note: how do you guys cave dive ? Is your law written in such a way that it also requires a standing boat parked in front of the cave ? Maybe there's some legal crack here that you could slip into.

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