VR3 ethics

Larky · 19th November 2005, 22:06

Hello all,

I have owned of an Evo since March, more than happy with the machine and the electronics. I also own a VR3 but have more use for an He/O2 analyzer. Unfortunately at the moment, I cannot afford to own both and have reluctantly chosen to sell one in order to buy the other.

I live in Brazil but will be paying a short visit to Australia next month. I have advertised the VR3 for sale there and if it sells, plan to pick up an analyzer in California on the way back.

The VR3 is loaded with all of the options, up to and including C/C Trimix. Ethically, what responsibility do I have as to exactly whom I sell the machine to?

Larky

Genesis · 19th November 2005, 22:18

None.

Neither Delta-P nor any of their dealers require anything but money to buy any of their computers. Mine is the "C4" (OC/CC Trimix) and I have neither a formal CCR card nor a formal Trimix card..... nothing other than money was asked for when I made my purchase.

This is how it should be, IMHO.

CCR-Wrecker · 19th November 2005, 22:33

I agree. The VR3 is a tool, it is up to the user to use it properly within their own limits.

My $.02
Andy

CHRISB · 19th November 2005, 22:34

Hello Larky,
I'm guessing that you are referring to the closed circuit trimix portion of the code on the vr3 in reference to your ethical question. I will be happy to give my two bits of thought on it.
Anybody is able to go out and buy dive tables at stores/shops/online without any proof of certification or prior knowledge of diving. In fact most dive tables in print now, as well as dive computer manuals have a disclaimer written along the lines of 'do not attempt without proper training'. Going along with this same line of reasoning anyone can also purchase reference manuals & medical books and not be doctors. For them to go out and attempt open heart surgery after reading of the theory of how to do it would truly be irresponsible on their parts but I find it very hard to put blame on whomever wrote or sold those medical manuals.
These of course are only my humble ramblings, far from legal advice!

abowie · 19th November 2005, 22:55

As above.

There's nothing to stop anyone going out and buying some helium, O2 and a transfill whip, mixing their own trimix, and going and doing a 100m dive without any formal training. Oh, except common sense and Mr Darwin of course.

You can buy a Nitek He, an Explorer or indeed a trimix CCR VR3 without having any of the appropriate qualifications. Just ask me, I did!

If you're really worried about it get the buyer to sign a piece of paper saying that they agree to undertake appropriate training and release you from any responsibility for anything bad that happens to them once they own it. I personally wouldn't bother.

***sadave*** · 19th November 2005, 23:04

So where have you advertised it, and for how much?

abowie · 20th November 2005, 03:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave)

So where have you advertised it, and for how much?

Do you want two VR3's CD?

What sort of a tosser would have 2 VR3's?

decoweenie · 20th November 2005, 04:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by abowie)

What sort of a tosser would have 2 VR3's?

If you run a poll, you will be surprised. I think it helps to balance in the water...

Larky · 20th November 2005, 08:23

Thank for your opinion guys. Now I just need to find a buyer

Cheers
Larky

Larky · 20th November 2005, 08:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave)

So where have you advertised it, and for how much?

Hi sadive,

Hey I grew up in Adelaide, live a bit closer to the equator now though. Please contact me offline if you are interested at: mikelark@uol.com.br

Cheers

19th November 2005, 22:06	#1 (permalink)
Larky New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fortaleza, Brazil Posts: 19	VR3 ethics Hello all, I have owned of an Evo since March, more than happy with the machine and the electronics. I also own a VR3 but have more use for an He/O2 analyzer. Unfortunately at the moment, I cannot afford to own both and have reluctantly chosen to sell one in order to buy the other. I live in Brazil but will be paying a short visit to Australia next month. I have advertised the VR3 for sale there and if it sells, plan to pick up an analyzer in California on the way back. The VR3 is loaded with all of the options, up to and including C/C Trimix. Ethically, what responsibility do I have as to exactly whom I sell the machine to? Larky __________________ There are people who think that everything one does with a serious face is sensible... Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
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19th November 2005, 22:18	#2 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,396	Re: VR3 ethics None. Neither Delta-P nor any of their dealers require anything but money to buy any of their computers. Mine is the "C4" (OC/CC Trimix) and I have neither a formal CCR card nor a formal Trimix card..... nothing other than money was asked for when I made my purchase. This is how it should be, IMHO.
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19th November 2005, 22:33	#3 (permalink)
CCR-Wrecker Classic KISSer #276 Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 225	Re: VR3 ethics I agree. The VR3 is a tool, it is up to the user to use it properly within their own limits. My $.02 Andy
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19th November 2005, 22:34	#4 (permalink)
CHRISB CHRISB Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: GRAND CAYMAN Posts: 30	Re: VR3 ethics Hello Larky, I'm guessing that you are referring to the closed circuit trimix portion of the code on the vr3 in reference to your ethical question. I will be happy to give my two bits of thought on it. Anybody is able to go out and buy dive tables at stores/shops/online without any proof of certification or prior knowledge of diving. In fact most dive tables in print now, as well as dive computer manuals have a disclaimer written along the lines of 'do not attempt without proper training'. Going along with this same line of reasoning anyone can also purchase reference manuals & medical books and not be doctors. For them to go out and attempt open heart surgery after reading of the theory of how to do it would truly be irresponsible on their parts but I find it very hard to put blame on whomever wrote or sold those medical manuals. These of course are only my humble ramblings, far from legal advice!
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19th November 2005, 22:55	#5 (permalink)
abowie Fighting Girl Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 574	Re: VR3 ethics As above. There's nothing to stop anyone going out and buying some helium, O2 and a transfill whip, mixing their own trimix, and going and doing a 100m dive without any formal training. Oh, except common sense and Mr Darwin of course. You can buy a Nitek He, an Explorer or indeed a trimix CCR VR3 without having any of the appropriate qualifications. Just ask me, I did! If you're really worried about it get the buyer to sign a piece of paper saying that they agree to undertake appropriate training and release you from any responsibility for anything bad that happens to them once they own it. I personally wouldn't bother. __________________ Andrew Bowie Rebreather-friendly Buddy
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19th November 2005, 23:04	#6 (permalink)
*sadave* Couldn't be bothered... Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland Posts: 1,052	Re: VR3 ethics So where have you advertised it, and for how much?
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20th November 2005, 03:56	#7 (permalink)
abowie Fighting Girl Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 574	Re: VR3 ethics Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave) So where have you advertised it, and for how much? Do you want two VR3's CD? What sort of a tosser would have 2 VR3's? __________________ Andrew Bowie Rebreather-friendly Buddy
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20th November 2005, 04:49	#8 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: VR3 ethics Quote: (Originally Posted by abowie) What sort of a tosser would have 2 VR3's? If you run a poll, you will be surprised. I think it helps to balance in the water... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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20th November 2005, 08:23	#9 (permalink)
Larky New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fortaleza, Brazil Posts: 19	Re: VR3 ethics Thank for your opinion guys. Now I just need to find a buyer Cheers Larky __________________ There are people who think that everything one does with a serious face is sensible... Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
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20th November 2005, 08:26	#10 (permalink)
Larky New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fortaleza, Brazil Posts: 19	Re: VR3 ethics Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave) So where have you advertised it, and for how much? Hi sadive, Hey I grew up in Adelaide, live a bit closer to the equator now though. Please contact me offline if you are interested at: mikelark@uol.com.br Cheers __________________ There are people who think that everything one does with a serious face is sensible... Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
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