Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P

***diverklondike*** · 1st November 2005, 23:23

Were any profiles shown or discussed at the show??

Barrie Law · 7th November 2005, 01:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

Were any profiles shown or discussed at the show??

For the VPM-B not I saw anyway, although talking to Delta P this week they expect to release in the next week or so.
I have sold my Vr3 version 2.01 that was upgraded to version 3.03 and had a colour screen added to get the new version 3.03ab with the VPM-B option.
I know many feel the costs for the VPM-B option are taking the piss but I sell Vr3's and consider them to be the best computer available thats my excuse for getting it and I am sticking to it and NO, I do not get it for FREE!!
I will list the profiles when I get it but my understanding is you will only see major differences on dives that are deeper (90mts +) and longer (2hrs +).

Cheers

Barrie Law · 9th November 2005, 20:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

Were any profiles shown or discussed at the show??

Received the launch date for the VPM-B from Delta P today, It will be available from the 14th of November, 2005.
This is a sample of the profiles with the current Buhlman and the VPM-B.

***diverklondike*** · 10th November 2005, 04:37

Has there been any further information from Delta-P about the deployment of VPM-BE?? Has Kevin added some extra convservation or is it a true deployment??

Barrie Law · 10th November 2005, 15:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

Has there been any further information from Delta-P about the deployment of VPM-BE?? Has Kevin added some extra convservation or is it a true deployment??

The new algorithm is based on VPM BE and depending on gas selection and dive depth and time, it will in some cases provide a reduced decompression requirement, although this is not always true. What the new algorithm does is smooth out the decompression profile. There are no deep micro-bubble stops and ‘normal’ decompression stops begin much deeper. Generally speaking, the intermediate stops are longer compared with the standard VR algorithm and shallower stops are shorter.

A unique feature of the V1 upgrade is that, once it is enabled, divers can switch to the algorithm they prefer for the type of diving they are doing, even in between dives if they wish. On every dive the VR3 records tissue and bubble states using both algorithms so divers can swap between the two without compromising their ability to switch back.

Cheers

trimix · 3rd July 2006, 16:07

FYI... I dive O/C on tables cut from V-Planner, and have had nothing but success (!) I was waiting for the VPM algorithm to become available for the VR3
Now that I have made my move and bought a proper 3 gas deco computer, I'm happy to say that this exact news made me decide to NOT buy a VR-3. Very sexy unit, yes. Bad doggy support.
Hydrospace Engineering, take my money, please.

GAP · 3rd July 2006, 16:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by trimix)

FYI... I dive O/C on tables cut from V-Planner, and have had nothing but success (!) I was waiting for the VPM algorithm to become available for the VR3
Now that I have made my move and bought a proper 3 gas deco computer, I'm happy to say that this exact news made me decide to NOT buy a VR-3. Very sexy unit, yes. Bad doggy support.
Hydrospace Engineering, take my money, please.

Try also gap with the HS. It lines up nicely

Greetings Kees

Tom F. · 3rd July 2006, 18:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by GAP)

Try also gap

Hi Kees,

Is there a Rebreather World discount on GAP? 180€ is a lot of money

Regards Tom F.

silent running · 4th July 2006, 04:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuba_Vixen)

Makes me glad I dive an Explorer.....

Darlene

Yup, me too. I hope the nice English guy I swapped my VR3 for the HE with is not looking for the "optional" upgrade...

I'm very happy with my HE. Just got back from a trip to Indonesia and my dive buddy had a VERY old VR3, the ones that look like they're made out of pot metal. He was supposed to have "upgraded" to the VPMB-E, but spent his money on a new Evo instead. I consistantly had 20 minutes less deco than he did, even with my RGBM alg on middle conservatism...Yikes. His TTS would constantly change and when he switched to OC air for some shallow dives, from Tmix CCR, it was even slower to update the TTS.

It sounds to me like the processor in the old VRs is just too slow to deal with all the different scenerios that can come up in multi day repetitive diving. This looks more likely when you find out that a new board is needed for the additional computing power necessary for the VPMB-E alg. If this is true, then I'd say that it's not an "optional" upgrade at all as that would mean that the original processor was only just adequet for the original alg and any significant changes-which should be expected-would need expensive hardware changes. I agree that Delta P should ditch the "Last computer you'll ever need" slogan. No need to rub it in. -Andy

GAP · 4th July 2006, 06:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tom F.)

Hi Kees,

Is there a Rebreather World discount on GAP? 180€ is a lot of money

Regards Tom F.

Ok, Not starting an other thread like Joel did. So I keep it here.
mail me at sales@gap-software.com for a 25% discount on all products
of GAP-Software. Mail me your Rebreather World handle so I can check. Offer is valid
until 18-july-2006.

Kees

1st November 2005, 23:23	#41 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,557	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Were any profiles shown or discussed at the show??
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7th November 2005, 01:06	#42 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) Were any profiles shown or discussed at the show?? For the VPM-B not I saw anyway, although talking to Delta P this week they expect to release in the next week or so. I have sold my Vr3 version 2.01 that was upgraded to version 3.03 and had a colour screen added to get the new version 3.03ab with the VPM-B option. I know many feel the costs for the VPM-B option are taking the piss but I sell Vr3's and consider them to be the best computer available thats my excuse for getting it and I am sticking to it and NO, I do not get it for FREE!! I will list the profiles when I get it but my understanding is you will only see major differences on dives that are deeper (90mts +) and longer (2hrs +). Cheers __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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10th November 2005, 04:37	#44 (permalink)
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10th November 2005, 15:01	#45 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) Has there been any further information from Delta-P about the deployment of VPM-BE?? Has Kevin added some extra convservation or is it a true deployment?? The new algorithm is based on VPM BE and depending on gas selection and dive depth and time, it will in some cases provide a reduced decompression requirement, although this is not always true. What the new algorithm does is smooth out the decompression profile. There are no deep micro-bubble stops and ‘normal’ decompression stops begin much deeper. Generally speaking, the intermediate stops are longer compared with the standard VR algorithm and shallower stops are shorter. A unique feature of the V1 upgrade is that, once it is enabled, divers can switch to the algorithm they prefer for the type of diving they are doing, even in between dives if they wish. On every dive the VR3 records tissue and bubble states using both algorithms so divers can swap between the two without compromising their ability to switch back. Cheers __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com Last edited by Barrie Law : 10th November 2005 at 15:04.
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3rd July 2006, 16:07	#46 (permalink)
trimix New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 41	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P FYI... I dive O/C on tables cut from V-Planner, and have had nothing but success (!) I was waiting for the VPM algorithm to become available for the VR3 Now that I have made my move and bought a proper 3 gas deco computer, I'm happy to say that this exact news made me decide to NOT buy a VR-3. Very sexy unit, yes. Bad doggy support. Hydrospace Engineering, take my money, please. __________________ Just another piece of Mel's Train Wreck ! *BOOM!*
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3rd July 2006, 16:36	#47 (permalink)
GAP RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the Netherlands, heerhugoward Posts: 26	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Quote: (Originally Posted by trimix) FYI... I dive O/C on tables cut from V-Planner, and have had nothing but success (!) I was waiting for the VPM algorithm to become available for the VR3 Now that I have made my move and bought a proper 3 gas deco computer, I'm happy to say that this exact news made me decide to NOT buy a VR-3. Very sexy unit, yes. Bad doggy support. Hydrospace Engineering, take my money, please. Try also gap with the HS. It lines up nicely Greetings Kees __________________
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3rd July 2006, 18:28	#48 (permalink)
Tom F. New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Herlev, Denmark Posts: 41	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Quote: (Originally Posted by GAP) Try also gap Hi Kees, Is there a Rebreather World discount on GAP? 180€ is a lot of money Regards Tom F.
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4th July 2006, 04:39	#49 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,813	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuba_Vixen) Makes me glad I dive an Explorer..... Darlene Yup, me too. I hope the nice English guy I swapped my VR3 for the HE with is not looking for the "optional" upgrade... I'm very happy with my HE. Just got back from a trip to Indonesia and my dive buddy had a VERY old VR3, the ones that look like they're made out of pot metal. He was supposed to have "upgraded" to the VPMB-E, but spent his money on a new Evo instead. I consistantly had 20 minutes less deco than he did, even with my RGBM alg on middle conservatism...Yikes. His TTS would constantly change and when he switched to OC air for some shallow dives, from Tmix CCR, it was even slower to update the TTS. It sounds to me like the processor in the old VRs is just too slow to deal with all the different scenerios that can come up in multi day repetitive diving. This looks more likely when you find out that a new board is needed for the additional computing power necessary for the VPMB-E alg. If this is true, then I'd say that it's not an "optional" upgrade at all as that would mean that the original processor was only just adequet for the original alg and any significant changes-which should be expected-would need expensive hardware changes. I agree that Delta P should ditch the "Last computer you'll ever need" slogan. No need to rub it in. -Andy
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4th July 2006, 06:16	#50 (permalink)
GAP RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the Netherlands, heerhugoward Posts: 26	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Quote: (Originally Posted by Tom F.) Hi Kees, Is there a Rebreather World discount on GAP? 180€ is a lot of money Regards Tom F. Ok, Not starting an other thread like Joel did. So I keep it here. mail me at sales@gap-software.com for a 25% discount on all products of GAP-Software. Mail me your Rebreather World handle so I can check. Offer is valid until 18-july-2006. Kees __________________
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