Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P

***EBT*** · 16th October 2005, 10:24

Not really, just more conservative

Im not in a screaming deco rush and Im not a mega deep diver either (deepest to date is 92m, my normal diving is in the 60-70m range). So for me I've built up diving tables over the years. New sites can be handled with a bit of scenario modelling etc.

No doubt for new sites this means I over-deco a bit, but as I said, Im conservative.

Dont get me wrong, I see the benefits of computer based deco, but for me the cost(& risk)/benefit doesnt stack up

decoweenie · 16th October 2005, 11:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel)

Not really, just more conservative

Fair enough. Perhaps you should be "decoweenie" instead...

Personally, I am not the most patient person so I don't like to do any more deco than needed.

pchanning · 16th October 2005, 11:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Personally, I am not the most patient person so I don't like to do any more deco than needed.

Thats cool, personally I like to take a bit of time so I'll have just 1 sugar in mine. Thanks

Janos · 16th October 2005, 11:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr. Greekbird)

Thats cool, personally I like to take a bit of time so I'll have just 1 sugar in mine. Thanks

You have a wierd taste in beer Mr. Greekbird

Seriously though, I normally spend more time driving to the divesite then I do underwater, so extra deco doesn't bother me. But it's nice to know what the minimum is.

I can't seeing myself doing the dives (on CCR) that would really benefit from a VR3 for many months, but I was thinking that one might be useful. But I'm now thinking about a secondhand VR3 for a couple of years as I can't see that VPM-B will make a huge difference to me for many years.

Janos

decoweenie · 16th October 2005, 12:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos)

...But it's nice to know what the minimum is...

Exactly!

I have been advocating for a long time now about not cutting tables with conservatism. IMHO, always have absolute minimum deco tables and pad-on-the-fly as needed (i.e. more work on bottom, colder, etc).

This allows you to know what is the (theoretically) absolutely minimum to surface in case you need to (i.e. emergency, cold, pee-pee, etc).

You could always add, but it is more difficult to subtract (safely) unless you could do "deco in head"...

RobPot · 16th October 2005, 17:35

Quote:

(From the DeltaP site) Existing VR3's with a 2 pin connector currently have exactly the same features as the new 7 pin connector (i.e. analyser and external PO2). In the future, as new features are released, there will be an upgrade path for existing (2 pin) users.

So that's, basically, buy a new one!

Looks like that's c.£700.00 towards the Heliox or Shearwater replacement handset.

Mark Chase · 16th October 2005, 18:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Exactly!

I have been advocating for a long time now about not cutting tables with conservatism. IMHO, always have absolute minimum deco tables and pad-on-the-fly as needed (i.e. more work on bottom, colder, etc).

This allows you to know what is the (theoretically) absolutely minimum to surface in case you need to (i.e. emergency, cold, pee-pee, etc).

You could always add, but it is more difficult to subtract (safely) unless you could do "deco in head"...

Yes this is what I do for exactly the same reasions. Same with the VR3's I run them on 0 safety and pad them for how i feel on the day.

ATB

Mark Chase

chrismc · 1st November 2005, 11:13

Got to agree with Decoweenie and Mark on that one. I like to know exactly what I can get away with, and pad it myself. Then if something happens I know exactly how close I am and whether I actually have missed improtant stops or not.

It also helps others aswell, when you get other divers on the surface, having missed stops, you really want to know exaxctly how important those stops were.

As for the VR3 upgrade, nice new feature, but I think £395 is to much for me.

Pat Coughlan · 1st November 2005, 12:29

Barrie,
For that sort of cash I would rather buy the Heliox or Shearwater unit, DeltaP are taking the piss how can they justify £100 for a board as well as the software option?

Pat
PS hurry up with my booster pump

Barrie Law · 1st November 2005, 19:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pat Coughlan)

Barrie,
For that sort of cash I would rather buy the Heliox or Shearwater unit, DeltaP are taking the piss how can they justify £100 for a board as well as the software option?

Pat
PS hurry up with my booster pump

Pat,
There are now a number of options available for the Vr3 and they do cost a few quid, ie the colour screen.
The VPM-B is an option and Vr3's will continue to have as standard the Buhlman 16 with microbbuble stops as the default Algorithm.This is not a software upgrade in terms of going from version 2.01 to 3.03 was an upgrade.
Delta P have issued the end user prices for the VPM-B option but I have not yet listed the option on the divertec.net site because I am still negotiating a discounted list price for our many Vr3 customers worldwide.
If you wish to be added to our customer discount list email 'subscribe' to info@divertec.net and you will receive our product updates and the latest discounted prices.
I have just launched 7 new products to the market at the Birmingham dive show and they have been well received, I will always be looking for the best products to offer divertec's customers some of whom dropped by to say hello at the divertec stand and some I met at the bar from Rebreather World.
Your Booster will be delivered in 4 weeks I will have a date in a day or so when I have all the show orders sorted out.

Cheers

16th October 2005, 10:24	#31 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,971	Not really, just more conservative Im not in a screaming deco rush and Im not a mega deep diver either (deepest to date is 92m, my normal diving is in the 60-70m range). So for me I've built up diving tables over the years. New sites can be handled with a bit of scenario modelling etc. No doubt for new sites this means I over-deco a bit, but as I said, Im conservative. Dont get me wrong, I see the benefits of computer based deco, but for me the cost(& risk)/benefit doesnt stack up __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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16th October 2005, 11:10	#32 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel) Not really, just more conservative Fair enough. Perhaps you should be "decoweenie" instead... Personally, I am not the most patient person so I don't like to do any more deco than needed. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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16th October 2005, 11:14	#33 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Personally, I am not the most patient person so I don't like to do any more deco than needed. Thats cool, personally I like to take a bit of time so I'll have just 1 sugar in mine. Thanks __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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16th October 2005, 11:40	#34 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 601	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr. Greekbird) Thats cool, personally I like to take a bit of time so I'll have just 1 sugar in mine. Thanks You have a wierd taste in beer Mr. Greekbird Seriously though, I normally spend more time driving to the divesite then I do underwater, so extra deco doesn't bother me. But it's nice to know what the minimum is. I can't seeing myself doing the dives (on CCR) that would really benefit from a VR3 for many months, but I was thinking that one might be useful. But I'm now thinking about a secondhand VR3 for a couple of years as I can't see that VPM-B will make a huge difference to me for many years. Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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16th October 2005, 12:19	#35 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos) ...But it's nice to know what the minimum is... Exactly! I have been advocating for a long time now about not cutting tables with conservatism. IMHO, always have absolute minimum deco tables and pad-on-the-fly as needed (i.e. more work on bottom, colder, etc). This allows you to know what is the (theoretically) absolutely minimum to surface in case you need to (i.e. emergency, cold, pee-pee, etc). You could always add, but it is more difficult to subtract (safely) unless you could do "deco in head"... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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16th October 2005, 17:35	#36 (permalink)
RobPot Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portishead - Gateway to the South West Posts: 178	What a rip-off! Quote: (From the DeltaP site) Existing VR3's with a 2 pin connector currently have exactly the same features as the new 7 pin connector (i.e. analyser and external PO2). In the future, as new features are released, there will be an upgrade path for existing (2 pin) users. So that's, basically, buy a new one! Looks like that's c.£700.00 towards the Heliox or Shearwater replacement handset.
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16th October 2005, 18:14	#37 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Exactly! I have been advocating for a long time now about not cutting tables with conservatism. IMHO, always have absolute minimum deco tables and pad-on-the-fly as needed (i.e. more work on bottom, colder, etc). This allows you to know what is the (theoretically) absolutely minimum to surface in case you need to (i.e. emergency, cold, pee-pee, etc). You could always add, but it is more difficult to subtract (safely) unless you could do "deco in head"... Yes this is what I do for exactly the same reasions. Same with the VR3's I run them on 0 safety and pad them for how i feel on the day. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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1st November 2005, 11:13	#38 (permalink)
chrismc New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North west, uk Posts: 61	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Got to agree with Decoweenie and Mark on that one. I like to know exactly what I can get away with, and pad it myself. Then if something happens I know exactly how close I am and whether I actually have missed improtant stops or not. It also helps others aswell, when you get other divers on the surface, having missed stops, you really want to know exaxctly how important those stops were. As for the VR3 upgrade, nice new feature, but I think £395 is to much for me.
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1st November 2005, 12:29	#39 (permalink)
Pat Coughlan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ireland- County Mayo Posts: 87	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Barrie, For that sort of cash I would rather buy the Heliox or Shearwater unit, DeltaP are taking the piss how can they justify £100 for a board as well as the software option? Pat PS hurry up with my booster pump
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1st November 2005, 19:43	#40 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 459	Re: Vr3 VPM-B latest info from Delta P Quote: (Originally Posted by Pat Coughlan) Barrie, For that sort of cash I would rather buy the Heliox or Shearwater unit, DeltaP are taking the piss how can they justify £100 for a board as well as the software option? Pat PS hurry up with my booster pump Pat, There are now a number of options available for the Vr3 and they do cost a few quid, ie the colour screen. The VPM-B is an option and Vr3's will continue to have as standard the Buhlman 16 with microbbuble stops as the default Algorithm.This is not a software upgrade in terms of going from version 2.01 to 3.03 was an upgrade. Delta P have issued the end user prices for the VPM-B option but I have not yet listed the option on the divertec.net site because I am still negotiating a discounted list price for our many Vr3 customers worldwide. If you wish to be added to our customer discount list email 'subscribe' to info@divertec.net and you will receive our product updates and the latest discounted prices. I have just launched 7 new products to the market at the Birmingham dive show and they have been well received, I will always be looking for the best products to offer divertec's customers some of whom dropped by to say hello at the divertec stand and some I met at the bar from Rebreather World. Your Booster will be delivered in 4 weeks I will have a date in a day or so when I have all the show orders sorted out. Cheers __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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