Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3

DEEP DOWN DEVIANT · 24th May 2007, 20:07

Hello
Does anybody out there dive with an HS EXPLORER and their buddy dive with a VR3 or vicer verser?
I am thinking about buying an HS EXPLORER and have a few questions.
1. Do they do the same deep stops at the same depth?
2. Do they run on roughly the same times for the stops?
At the monent I dive O/c trimix not rebreather.
Thanks Alan

Dave Crampton · 24th May 2007, 20:50

Alan,

I think Simon K dives with a HS Explorer. Try pm'ing him.

Dave C

SimonK · 24th May 2007, 20:59

You can download the HSE simulator from the HS site and Proplaner from somewhere on the boris web site (there's a post with a link on here somewhere) and then run the two to get an idea.

I believe that the HSE running Buhlman on setting 9 will be in the same ball park as the VR3.
If you run RGBM on the HSE and VPM on the VR3 they are going to diverge pretty quick as you get deeper.

Out of interest I ran the same dive trough a bunch of different software.

The profile is 111m for 25 min on 10/60. Its not a dive I'm ever likely to do but most algorithms agree with each other on a 50m dive so you don't get to see the differences.

so: 111m 25min 10/60

Code:

Prog       Model    Cons      Time To Surface
GAP        RGBM    0, +2     172, 200
GAP        Buhl      20/80    271
DD Plan   Buhl      20/80    220
Vplanner VPM-B   0, +5     169, 224
Vplanner VPM-B/E 0, +5    204, 226
VR3        Bhul      0          227
VR3        VPM      0          264
HSE        RGBM    0, 2      168, 185
HSE        Buhl      3, 9      163, 231

So that 100 minutes difference in TTS between the HSE on setting 0 and the VR3 on VPM 0.

Simon

Edit: Maybe I should have sold you my Explorer before posting this!! If you decide you do want one let me know - its probably as good as the VR3 on Buhlman settings and you get the 4th cell, simulator and PC link all in the package.

***jradomski*** · 24th May 2007, 21:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK)

You can download the HSE simulator from the HS site and Proplaner from somewhere on the boris web site (there's a post with a link on here somewhere) and then run the two to get an idea.

I believe that the HSE running Buhlman on setting 9 will be in the same ball park as the VR3.
If you run RGBM on the HSE and VPM on the VR3 they are going to diverge pretty quick as you get deeper.

Out of interest I ran the same dive trough a bunch of different software.

The profile is 111m for 25 min on 10/60. Its not a dive I'm ever likely to do but most algorithms agree with each other on a 50m dive so you don't get to see the differences.

so: 111m 25min 10/60

Code:

Prog       Model    Cons      Time To Surface
GAP        RGBM    0, +2     172, 200
GAP        Buhl      20/80    271
DD Plan   Buhl      20/80    220
Vplanner VPM-B   0, +5     169, 224
Vplanner VPM-B/E 0, +5    204, 226
VR3        Bhul      0          227
VR3        VPM      0          264
HSE        RGBM    0, 2      168, 185
HSE        Buhl      3, 9      163, 231

So that 100 minutes difference in TTS between the HSE on setting 0 and the VR3 on VPM 0.

Simon

Edit: Maybe I should have sold you my Explorer before posting this!! If you decide you do want one let me know - its probably as good as the VR3 on Buhlman settings and you get the 4th cell, simulator and PC link all in the package.

You should also post what version of the explorer you have.. there are 3 main revisions of the rgbm settings and the give results.. The earlies is the most agressive..

SimonK · 24th May 2007, 22:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

You should also post what version of the explorer you have.. there are 3 main revisions of the rgbm settings and the give results.. The earlies is the most agressive..

The numbers posted came from the simulator 4.0.3/5.7 date 06/23/06. My explorer has Version 4.07.8 software.

Simon

hoppyinca · 24th May 2007, 22:39

If my HSE worked long enough to do any real diving I would comment... oops...

hoppyinca

gathan · 25th May 2007, 11:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca)

If my HSE worked long enough to do any real diving I would comment... oops...

hoppyinca

On the other hand, my buddy and I each use two of them and all 4 have been quite reliable.

Andre

Numpty diver · 25th May 2007, 13:25

Hi Alan
I use a trimix explorer and love it !
Easy to set up and visible in the water .
used a vr3 and just couldnt see the info !!
The explorer comes with several differant dive tables you can choose for differant dives.
Cant understand why people like the vr3?
Numpty

hoppyinca · 25th May 2007, 17:07

thats exactly what I love about them... the "consistancy"...

hoppyinca

Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan)

On the other hand, my buddy and I each use two of them and all 4 have been quite reliable...

Numpty diver · 25th May 2007, 19:04

Hi Hoppy
What went wrong with yours?

24th May 2007, 20:07	#1 (permalink)
DEEP DOWN DEVIANT New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK Posts: 7	Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 Hello Does anybody out there dive with an HS EXPLORER and their buddy dive with a VR3 or vicer verser? I am thinking about buying an HS EXPLORER and have a few questions. 1. Do they do the same deep stops at the same depth? 2. Do they run on roughly the same times for the stops? At the monent I dive O/c trimix not rebreather. Thanks Alan
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24th May 2007, 20:50	#2 (permalink)
Dave Crampton CK #051 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bury St Edmunds, UK Posts: 280	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 Alan, I think Simon K dives with a HS Explorer. Try pm'ing him. Dave C
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24th May 2007, 20:59	#3 (permalink)
SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 You can download the HSE simulator from the HS site and Proplaner from somewhere on the boris web site (there's a post with a link on here somewhere) and then run the two to get an idea. I believe that the HSE running Buhlman on setting 9 will be in the same ball park as the VR3. If you run RGBM on the HSE and VPM on the VR3 they are going to diverge pretty quick as you get deeper. Out of interest I ran the same dive trough a bunch of different software. The profile is 111m for 25 min on 10/60. Its not a dive I'm ever likely to do but most algorithms agree with each other on a 50m dive so you don't get to see the differences. so: 111m 25min 10/60 Code: Prog Model Cons Time To Surface GAP RGBM 0, +2 172, 200 GAP Buhl 20/80 271 DD Plan Buhl 20/80 220 Vplanner VPM-B 0, +5 169, 224 Vplanner VPM-B/E 0, +5 204, 226 VR3 Bhul 0 227 VR3 VPM 0 264 HSE RGBM 0, 2 168, 185 HSE Buhl 3, 9 163, 231 So that 100 minutes difference in TTS between the HSE on setting 0 and the VR3 on VPM 0. Simon Edit: Maybe I should have sold you my Explorer before posting this!! If you decide you do want one let me know - its probably as good as the VR3 on Buhlman settings and you get the 4th cell, simulator and PC link all in the package. Last edited by SimonK : 24th May 2007 at 21:06. Reason: comment on DaveC's post
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24th May 2007, 21:40	#4 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,993	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK) You can download the HSE simulator from the HS site and Proplaner from somewhere on the boris web site (there's a post with a link on here somewhere) and then run the two to get an idea. I believe that the HSE running Buhlman on setting 9 will be in the same ball park as the VR3. If you run RGBM on the HSE and VPM on the VR3 they are going to diverge pretty quick as you get deeper. Out of interest I ran the same dive trough a bunch of different software. The profile is 111m for 25 min on 10/60. Its not a dive I'm ever likely to do but most algorithms agree with each other on a 50m dive so you don't get to see the differences. so: 111m 25min 10/60 Code: Prog Model Cons Time To Surface GAP RGBM 0, +2 172, 200 GAP Buhl 20/80 271 DD Plan Buhl 20/80 220 Vplanner VPM-B 0, +5 169, 224 Vplanner VPM-B/E 0, +5 204, 226 VR3 Bhul 0 227 VR3 VPM 0 264 HSE RGBM 0, 2 168, 185 HSE Buhl 3, 9 163, 231 So that 100 minutes difference in TTS between the HSE on setting 0 and the VR3 on VPM 0. Simon Edit: Maybe I should have sold you my Explorer before posting this!! If you decide you do want one let me know - its probably as good as the VR3 on Buhlman settings and you get the 4th cell, simulator and PC link all in the package. You should also post what version of the explorer you have.. there are 3 main revisions of the rgbm settings and the give results.. The earlies is the most agressive.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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24th May 2007, 22:23	#5 (permalink)
SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) You should also post what version of the explorer you have.. there are 3 main revisions of the rgbm settings and the give results.. The earlies is the most agressive.. The numbers posted came from the simulator 4.0.3/5.7 date 06/23/06. My explorer has Version 4.07.8 software. Simon
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24th May 2007, 22:39	#6 (permalink)
hoppyinca New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA USA Posts: 252	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 If my HSE worked long enough to do any real diving I would comment... oops... hoppyinca
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25th May 2007, 11:56	#7 (permalink)
gathan MixedGas Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tottenham, Ontario, Canada Posts: 202	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca) If my HSE worked long enough to do any real diving I would comment... oops... hoppyinca On the other hand, my buddy and I each use two of them and all 4 have been quite reliable. Andre
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25th May 2007, 13:25	#8 (permalink)
Numpty diver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Norway, Bergen Posts: 204	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 Hi Alan I use a trimix explorer and love it ! Easy to set up and visible in the water . used a vr3 and just couldnt see the info !! The explorer comes with several differant dive tables you can choose for differant dives. Cant understand why people like the vr3? Numpty
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25th May 2007, 17:07	#9 (permalink)
hoppyinca New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA USA Posts: 252	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 thats exactly what I love about them... the "consistancy"... hoppyinca Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan) On the other hand, my buddy and I each use two of them and all 4 have been quite reliable...
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25th May 2007, 19:04	#10 (permalink)
Numpty diver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Norway, Bergen Posts: 204	Re: Hs Explorer Vrs Vr3 Hi Hoppy What went wrong with yours?
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