Vpm Vr3

specopsintl · 15th October 2005, 03:57

This is Email I got from Delat P;

Hi Steve
Simon is away for the next week he is on his way to DEMA.

The standard VR3 will go out with Buhlmann, if VPM is required then a V1 upgrade can be put on it either at the time of purchase or at a later date if preferred.
The upgrade will have a cost of around £195.00, this will be the cost on either having it in a shipped new VR3, or a software upgrade at a later date.
The HP link does not have an exact date as yet, as soon as we have a more accurate date, we will post it on the website.

All the best,
Philippa

Delta P Technology
Unit 12, Blackhill Road West

specopsintl · 15th October 2005, 03:59

DEMA 2005 Announcement

!! Coming soon !!

An optional new variation of the VR decompression algorithm incorporating a variable permeability model

We are pleased to announce, in response to the many requests we have received over the last few months, that an upgrade will be available soon which will enable VR3 owners to use both the standard VR decompression algorithm AND a new variation of the algorithm that we have developed which incorporates a variable permeability model. We are calling this the V1 upgrade.

When V1 is released new VR3s may be ordered via Delta P dealers with the V1 upgrade already installed. Current VR3 owners may upgrade by returning their existing computer to the factory via their dealer for the work to be done. The amount of work required and the cost of the upgrade depends on the age and capabilities of your current unit.

VR3s manufactured since October 2004 which have Software Version V3.03aC installed are already armed with the expanded memory required to run the V1 upgrade. Therefore all that is required is the software upgrade itself. In North America this will cost in the region of $290.00. This will also be the price to have the V1 upgrade enabled on a new VR3.

If your computer has the later body style (circlips visible behind the switch pockets and a 7 pin I/O connector) and has software version V2.1 CXR or V3.03aB installed, you will need to buy the expanded memory required and the software upgrade. The US price for this will be around $585.00.

If you have a computer manufactured before June 2003 which either has no I/O connector on the side or takes a 2 pin connector and which has no visible switch circlips, then your current box cannot be fitted with the expanded memory required. You will therefore need to upgrade the box also to the new body style. Together with the expanded memory and software upgrade this will cost approx. $960.00.

When considering upgrading one of these older units, owners using analyser or rebreather cables should be aware that the new box will have a 7 pin connector, not a 2 pin connector.

What it is and what it isn’t.

If you are looking for a decompression algorithm that is less conservative than the standard VR algorithm, then this is not it. If you are just looking for “something that will get you out of the water quicker” then this isn’t it either. What the new algorithm does is smooth out the decompression profile. There are no deep micro-bubble stops and ‘normal’ decompression stops begin much deeper. Generally speaking, the intermediate stops are longer compared with the standard VR algorithm and shallower stops are shorter.

A unique feature of the V1 upgrade is that, once enabled, divers can switch to the algorithm they prefer for the type of diving they are doing, even in between dives if they wish. On every dive the VR3 records tissue and bubble states using both algorithms so divers can swap between the two without compromising their ability to switch back.

**jmurba** · 5th May 2006, 20:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Padowan)

Blimey, those prices are high!

So if you have an old VR3, pre v2 software, you're expected to pay £660 for an upgrade SWOP? You can nearly get a new unit for that price?

I'd rather sell mine on e-bay for £500 and then buy a new one!

+++++ i prefer my explorer 3 rgbm algo and 7 buhlamn ok it sometimes get problems, but vr3 also sometimes has problems

regards

jean mi

Andy Del · 6th May 2006, 21:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

Have these bad boys hit the streets yet? I know there are a few out there doing user trials but I haven’t heard any feedback yet. Has anyone?

Hi Steve!

Have done 1 dive on a VPM VR3, on the Encounter. I guess I should have tried it on a shallower dive...

In short, it works just lke a normal VR3, however being used to the Buhlmann and 'somwhat arbitrary' deep stops, the stops given looked weird.

Real weird.

I mean, to the point the stops down around the 24-30m area were way longer than I had inticipated (and it indicated in the planning mode). The 'little man on the rope' was also going blank and returning every few seconds...

In fact, so weird I dug out my printed tables to check.

At this point, my next look at the screen showed me a blank! Pushing a few buttons got me two thin flashing lines across the middle of the screen.

After finding my bottom timer, puting it on upsidedown, then right way up, fixing the table to me and working out where the **** I was on the line, I went back to my last stop depth and resumed my deco, plus some more for fun.

Last I heard, that particular VR3 is holidaying in Dorset or somesuch place...

More news later...

Did I mention how good I feel post-dive using VPM tables?

and that the emoticons are fun to use?

John J. Jones, IV · 6th May 2006, 21:18

Hi Guys:

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I have a VR3 related question and I am really hoping that someone can give me a hand.

I am using this for a Draeger, and have upgraded it for PP02 monitoring. I am using a R22D cell and the cable link itself came from Delta P. All stock equipment.

When I attempted to calibrate the unit, I was getting readings in AMBIENT AIR of NX10. ALthough when I set this up in my inhale lung using EANX 44, the readings would go up, but would never measure what I had coming in through the ADV. The other thing I noticed was the computer gave me a warning on about high mV (20's). Subsequently, the readings went down to the 10's. So, relatively new computer, new cell, new battery in the computer, I want to set this up in a SCR to read PP02, but can't seem to get the calibration working.

Anyone have any ideas?

Best regards,

John

GuyW · 6th May 2006, 23:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy Del)

Hi Steve!
Last I heard, that particular VR3 is holidaying in Dorset or somesuch place...

Wasn't that the one you threw over the side in disgust ?

Guy

Andy Del · 7th May 2006, 19:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by GuyW)

Wasn't that the one you threw over the side in disgust ?

Guy

Only someone wearing pearls would remind me...

pchanning · 7th May 2006, 22:30

No shit, did you really throw a VR£ over the side of the boat in disgust.

Tell me you did.

Thats hilarious.

Andy Del · 7th May 2006, 22:49

No, it was a combination of wearing a drysuit, hot sun, not picking into the wreck, undoing drysuit, standing angle to the water, not remembering to take off VR3 before taking off wrist and sleeve and finally shrugging shoulder to shake suit down a bit...

I had/have a choice in reactions. Deciding to breathing calmly, thinking of soothing blue shades, and attempting to convince myself that a VPM model was actually a positive thng and this was the universe's way of telling me so have all combined to stop me from becoming a homicidal maniac.

MattDuke · 15th June 2006, 13:38

Hi everyone. My new VR3 is shipped, and this allows the VPM-B upgrade with a pin code.

I'm familiar with V-planners implementation of VPM-BE and use that at +4 for cold norsk wreck dives with good success for the past 18 months. Prior to that, since 1998 I was using Proplanner.

After buying a YBOD a few weeks ago, I finally decided to try out a VR3. We have lots of great multilevel wrecks around Bergen, and I would be interested in going back to using a computer for these dives.

I'm finding a serious lack of feedback from VR3 users who have upgraded to VPM! I know it's out!

Has anyone used it? How does it compare to your tables?

Matt

15th October 2005, 03:57	#41 (permalink)
specopsintl New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6	Hope this Helps clear things up This is Email I got from Delat P; Hi Steve Simon is away for the next week he is on his way to DEMA. The standard VR3 will go out with Buhlmann, if VPM is required then a V1 upgrade can be put on it either at the time of purchase or at a later date if preferred. The upgrade will have a cost of around £195.00, this will be the cost on either having it in a shipped new VR3, or a software upgrade at a later date. The HP link does not have an exact date as yet, as soon as we have a more accurate date, we will post it on the website. All the best, Philippa Delta P Technology Unit 12, Blackhill Road West
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15th October 2005, 03:59	#42 (permalink)
specopsintl New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6	Delta P Dema 2005 Announcement DEMA 2005 Announcement !! Coming soon !! An optional new variation of the VR decompression algorithm incorporating a variable permeability model We are pleased to announce, in response to the many requests we have received over the last few months, that an upgrade will be available soon which will enable VR3 owners to use both the standard VR decompression algorithm AND a new variation of the algorithm that we have developed which incorporates a variable permeability model. We are calling this the V1 upgrade. When V1 is released new VR3s may be ordered via Delta P dealers with the V1 upgrade already installed. Current VR3 owners may upgrade by returning their existing computer to the factory via their dealer for the work to be done. The amount of work required and the cost of the upgrade depends on the age and capabilities of your current unit. VR3s manufactured since October 2004 which have Software Version V3.03aC installed are already armed with the expanded memory required to run the V1 upgrade. Therefore all that is required is the software upgrade itself. In North America this will cost in the region of $290.00. This will also be the price to have the V1 upgrade enabled on a new VR3. If your computer has the later body style (circlips visible behind the switch pockets and a 7 pin I/O connector) and has software version V2.1 CXR or V3.03aB installed, you will need to buy the expanded memory required and the software upgrade. The US price for this will be around $585.00. If you have a computer manufactured before June 2003 which either has no I/O connector on the side or takes a 2 pin connector and which has no visible switch circlips, then your current box cannot be fitted with the expanded memory required. You will therefore need to upgrade the box also to the new body style. Together with the expanded memory and software upgrade this will cost approx. $960.00. When considering upgrading one of these older units, owners using analyser or rebreather cables should be aware that the new box will have a 7 pin connector, not a 2 pin connector. What it is and what it isn’t. If you are looking for a decompression algorithm that is less conservative than the standard VR algorithm, then this is not it. If you are just looking for “something that will get you out of the water quicker” then this isn’t it either. What the new algorithm does is smooth out the decompression profile. There are no deep micro-bubble stops and ‘normal’ decompression stops begin much deeper. Generally speaking, the intermediate stops are longer compared with the standard VR algorithm and shallower stops are shorter. A unique feature of the V1 upgrade is that, once enabled, divers can switch to the algorithm they prefer for the type of diving they are doing, even in between dives if they wish. On every dive the VR3 records tissue and bubble states using both algorithms so divers can swap between the two without compromising their ability to switch back.
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5th May 2006, 20:53	#43 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 862	Re: Vpm Vr3 Quote: (Originally Posted by Padowan) Blimey, those prices are high! So if you have an old VR3, pre v2 software, you're expected to pay £660 for an upgrade SWOP? You can nearly get a new unit for that price? I'd rather sell mine on e-bay for £500 and then buy a new one! +++++ i prefer my explorer 3 rgbm algo and 7 buhlamn ok it sometimes get problems, but vr3 also sometimes has problems regards jean mi
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6th May 2006, 21:04	#44 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 422	Re: Vpm Vr3 Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) Have these bad boys hit the streets yet? I know there are a few out there doing user trials but I haven’t heard any feedback yet. Has anyone? Hi Steve! Have done 1 dive on a VPM VR3, on the Encounter. I guess I should have tried it on a shallower dive... In short, it works just lke a normal VR3, however being used to the Buhlmann and 'somwhat arbitrary' deep stops, the stops given looked weird. Real weird. I mean, to the point the stops down around the 24-30m area were way longer than I had inticipated (and it indicated in the planning mode). The 'little man on the rope' was also going blank and returning every few seconds... In fact, so weird I dug out my printed tables to check. At this point, my next look at the screen showed me a blank! Pushing a few buttons got me two thin flashing lines across the middle of the screen. After finding my bottom timer, puting it on upsidedown, then right way up, fixing the table to me and working out where the **** I was on the line, I went back to my last stop depth and resumed my deco, plus some more for fun. Last I heard, that particular VR3 is holidaying in Dorset or somesuch place... More news later... Did I mention how good I feel post-dive using VPM tables? and that the emoticons are fun to use? __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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6th May 2006, 21:18	#45 (permalink)
John J. Jones, IV New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 34	Re: Vpm Vr3 Hi Guys: Not sure if this is the right thread, but I have a VR3 related question and I am really hoping that someone can give me a hand. I am using this for a Draeger, and have upgraded it for PP02 monitoring. I am using a R22D cell and the cable link itself came from Delta P. All stock equipment. When I attempted to calibrate the unit, I was getting readings in AMBIENT AIR of NX10. ALthough when I set this up in my inhale lung using EANX 44, the readings would go up, but would never measure what I had coming in through the ADV. The other thing I noticed was the computer gave me a warning on about high mV (20's). Subsequently, the readings went down to the 10's. So, relatively new computer, new cell, new battery in the computer, I want to set this up in a SCR to read PP02, but can't seem to get the calibration working. Anyone have any ideas? Best regards, John
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6th May 2006, 23:29	#46 (permalink)
GuyW Old Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 61	Re: Vpm Vr3 Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy Del) Hi Steve! Last I heard, that particular VR3 is holidaying in Dorset or somesuch place... Wasn't that the one you threw over the side in disgust ? Guy
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7th May 2006, 19:07	#47 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 422	Re: Vpm Vr3 Quote: (Originally Posted by GuyW) Wasn't that the one you threw over the side in disgust ? Guy Only someone wearing pearls would remind me... __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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7th May 2006, 22:30	#48 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Re: Vpm Vr3 No shit, did you really throw a VR£ over the side of the boat in disgust. Tell me you did. Thats hilarious. __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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7th May 2006, 22:49	#49 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 422	Re: Vpm Vr3 No, it was a combination of wearing a drysuit, hot sun, not picking into the wreck, undoing drysuit, standing angle to the water, not remembering to take off VR3 before taking off wrist and sleeve and finally shrugging shoulder to shake suit down a bit... I had/have a choice in reactions. Deciding to breathing calmly, thinking of soothing blue shades, and attempting to convince myself that a VPM model was actually a positive thng and this was the universe's way of telling me so have all combined to stop me from becoming a homicidal maniac. __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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15th June 2006, 13:38	#50 (permalink)
MattDuke New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 24	Re: Vpm Vr3 Hi everyone. My new VR3 is shipped, and this allows the VPM-B upgrade with a pin code. I'm familiar with V-planners implementation of VPM-BE and use that at +4 for cold norsk wreck dives with good success for the past 18 months. Prior to that, since 1998 I was using Proplanner. After buying a YBOD a few weeks ago, I finally decided to try out a VR3. We have lots of great multilevel wrecks around Bergen, and I would be interested in going back to using a computer for these dives. I'm finding a serious lack of feedback from VR3 users who have upgraded to VPM! I know it's out! Has anyone used it? How does it compare to your tables? Matt __________________ Born 1975 Started Diving 1984 Started CCR Diving 2006. Stopped CCR Diving 2006. CCR isn't for everyone, but it was a lot of fun trying.
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