Universal Rebreather Monitor Review

Soren Thomsen · 11th May 2007, 17:40

Hi Gill,

I had a glance at the article again...

Quote: "The first is a single cell version, with a HUD and high pressure monitoring for the gas, this products main focus is to allow owners of classic inspirations to upgrade to a HUD and built in deco with out having to upgrade to a Vision of change their Head out for a Hammerhead."

This is what I was refering to, a single cell HUD and deco version. I think it is hooked up with one of the existing cells. The earlier version was to add a fourth cell linked to a VR3. This new single cell version I can't find any sence in. My objection to this is still why make a single cell version when a 3 cell version exists? I hope this clarify my opinion...
And I'm still a fan of VR3

As to the soleniod control. I don't now the incident statistic on the solenoid control

Cheers

Soren

**Gill Envy** · 11th May 2007, 17:53

my bad for being a bit myopic. yeah the classic version was not what i was focussing on...it's funny how we read what we want to read

i can see how a fourth single cell with deco would have some advantages. The deco is closer to real time po2 and the it's a totally isolated system in terms of current. It has the vulnerability of being one cell, but it's not being used to drive the solenoid so it does not require the redundancy of three cells as is required for voting logic for a e-set point controller. since you can verify the reading with a flush and test for current limitation you can tell if the single cell is going a-wall... or so the philosophy of this paradigm seems to go.

I admit that a single cell sharing one of the three seems kind of silly. Leads me to wonder, if you are going to accept the concept of sharing a single cell, why not share all three.

hopefully I got you point.
g

Soren Thomsen · 11th May 2007, 18:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy)

I admit that a single cell sharing one of the three seems kind of silly. Leads me to wonder, if you are going to accept the concept of sharing a single cell, why not share all three.

Exactly my point

And maybe I wasn't clear enough earlier to point out that I was talking as a Classic user. A better "Classic" solution would be a display similar to the primary on the three cell version and a HUD.

Cheers

Soren

SimonK · 11th May 2007, 19:25

My understanding is that the system has three analogue inputs, these have been arranged into two versions. One with three cell inputs for the KISS etc. and one for the classic with the traditional 4th cell and two high pressure sensors. If you look a the pictures the cable to the 4th cell ends in the cap for a Delta P Y piece adaptor.

If you use the classic version you get a VR3 with 4th cell, plus dil and O2 pressure monitoring, plus a HUD.

Of course you could get the 3 cell version and connect it in parallel to the three cells on a classic in the same way a Shearwater HUD connects

Simon

PS. Nice article Stuart, see your still not convinced about Armadillo style side mounts.

**Gill Envy** · 11th May 2007, 19:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Soren Thomsen)

Exactly my point

And maybe I wasn't clear enough earlier to point out that I was talking as a Classic user. A better "Classic" solution would be a display similar to the primary on the three cell version and a HUD.

Cheers

Soren

Ron just stopped by and gave me a very nice run down on the Copis meg. I think i'm sold (looks like i'm going to be putting up another post in the for sale forum

). the copis is designed to handle the rugged Kayak diving I like to do and I'm now thinking that a copis, with the stock handset hooked up to a fourth cell and a sheerwater hooked up to the three main cells with a HUD would actually be an updgrade from an eCCR... more reliable, isolated, modular, fully integrated but still manual injection/CFO. Or might hook up two cells from the stock handset and a 3rd to the Sheerwater... It's starting to feel like christmass all over again!

I'd be more likely to go with the URM if ti weren't in the 3 k ballpark as apposed to the 2 k ballpark for the sheerwater with HUD.

***schford*** · 11th May 2007, 20:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK)

PS. Nice article Stuart, see your still not convinced about Armadillo style side mounts.

*grins* Don't know what you mean

ye I keep meaning to order a set from Jakob!

colinj · 11th May 2007, 21:47

Anyone got an answer to my earlier question or have I missed something?

jknights · 12th May 2007, 10:52

Good report.

Thanks Stuart.

SimonK · 12th May 2007, 11:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinj)

Great review, Thanks,
I presume my current VR3 will upgrade to the "Spectrum" spec and therefore the option needed on a classic Inspo would just be the brain, the 2 glands and the 1 or 3 cell back-up? I too am new to this but as the classic handsets on mine have been with AP for two months now with an unresolved fault this seems the ideal way forward, any ideas on cost of
1. complete unit as tested
2. Upgrade to a VR3 "Spectrum" plus remaining hardware for 3 cell display plus HUD

Thanks again, excellent stuff

Upgrade options are covered on the DeltP web site.

http://www.vr3.co.uk/downloads/RebreatherMonitors.pdf

The bad news on cost is that someone has just been prosecuted for trying to sell one of his own kidneys to raise money, so you will have to find some other way to pay for it. The URM does not replace the AP electronics, you still need them to control the O2.

Simon

divetheworld · 12th May 2007, 12:40

So let me get this right. I have the latest software (after paying for 3.03aC) and the download dongle and software key. To use this, I must send it in for an upgrade. The upgrade is included in the cost but now my downloader will not work until I buy new USB hardware?

Quote: (Originally Posted by vr3 site)

The VR3 upgrade required to make it work with a Universal Rebreather Monitor involves removal of the Infra Red link. If you currently use the PC download software with an Infra Red link, this function will no longer be available unless you purchase the USB/hardwire interface. Customers with Infra Red VR3 now using Rebreather Monitor software will be given a free upgrade to the new download software, having purchased the new USB/hardwire interface.

Sounds a bit familiar.

11th May 2007, 17:40	#21 (permalink)
Soren Thomsen Happy Hippo Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 138	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review Hi Gill, I had a glance at the article again... Quote: "The first is a single cell version, with a HUD and high pressure monitoring for the gas, this products main focus is to allow owners of classic inspirations to upgrade to a HUD and built in deco with out having to upgrade to a Vision of change their Head out for a Hammerhead." This is what I was refering to, a single cell HUD and deco version. I think it is hooked up with one of the existing cells. The earlier version was to add a fourth cell linked to a VR3. This new single cell version I can't find any sence in. My objection to this is still why make a single cell version when a 3 cell version exists? I hope this clarify my opinion... And I'm still a fan of VR3 As to the soleniod control. I don't now the incident statistic on the solenoid control Cheers Soren Last edited by Soren Thomsen : 11th May 2007 at 17:43.
(Offline)

11th May 2007, 17:53	#22 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,255	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review my bad for being a bit myopic. yeah the classic version was not what i was focussing on...it's funny how we read what we want to read i can see how a fourth single cell with deco would have some advantages. The deco is closer to real time po2 and the it's a totally isolated system in terms of current. It has the vulnerability of being one cell, but it's not being used to drive the solenoid so it does not require the redundancy of three cells as is required for voting logic for a e-set point controller. since you can verify the reading with a flush and test for current limitation you can tell if the single cell is going a-wall... or so the philosophy of this paradigm seems to go. I admit that a single cell sharing one of the three seems kind of silly. Leads me to wonder, if you are going to accept the concept of sharing a single cell, why not share all three. hopefully I got you point. g __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
(Online)

11th May 2007, 18:25	#23 (permalink)
Soren Thomsen Happy Hippo Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 138	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy) I admit that a single cell sharing one of the three seems kind of silly. Leads me to wonder, if you are going to accept the concept of sharing a single cell, why not share all three. Exactly my point And maybe I wasn't clear enough earlier to point out that I was talking as a Classic user. A better "Classic" solution would be a display similar to the primary on the three cell version and a HUD. Cheers Soren
(Offline)

11th May 2007, 19:25	#24 (permalink)
SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review My understanding is that the system has three analogue inputs, these have been arranged into two versions. One with three cell inputs for the KISS etc. and one for the classic with the traditional 4th cell and two high pressure sensors. If you look a the pictures the cable to the 4th cell ends in the cap for a Delta P Y piece adaptor. If you use the classic version you get a VR3 with 4th cell, plus dil and O2 pressure monitoring, plus a HUD. Of course you could get the 3 cell version and connect it in parallel to the three cells on a classic in the same way a Shearwater HUD connects Simon PS. Nice article Stuart, see your still not convinced about Armadillo style side mounts. Last edited by SimonK : 11th May 2007 at 19:33. Reason: added bit about Shearwater
(Online)

11th May 2007, 19:57	#25 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,255	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review Quote: (Originally Posted by Soren Thomsen) Exactly my point And maybe I wasn't clear enough earlier to point out that I was talking as a Classic user. A better "Classic" solution would be a display similar to the primary on the three cell version and a HUD. Cheers Soren Ron just stopped by and gave me a very nice run down on the Copis meg. I think i'm sold (looks like i'm going to be putting up another post in the for sale forum). the copis is designed to handle the rugged Kayak diving I like to do and I'm now thinking that a copis, with the stock handset hooked up to a fourth cell and a sheerwater hooked up to the three main cells with a HUD would actually be an updgrade from an eCCR... more reliable, isolated, modular, fully integrated but still manual injection/CFO. Or might hook up two cells from the stock handset and a 3rd to the Sheerwater... It's starting to feel like christmass all over again! I'd be more likely to go with the URM if ti weren't in the 3 k ballpark as apposed to the 2 k ballpark for the sheerwater with HUD. __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
(Online)

11th May 2007, 20:34	#26 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,662	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK) PS. Nice article Stuart, see your still not convinced about Armadillo style side mounts. grins Don't know what you mean ye I keep meaning to order a set from Jakob! __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
(Offline)

11th May 2007, 21:47	#27 (permalink)
colinj New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Uttoxeter Posts: 68	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review Anyone got an answer to my earlier question or have I missed something?
(Offline)

12th May 2007, 10:52	#28 (permalink)
jknights New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Oliva, Valencia, Spain. Posts: 121	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review Good report. Thanks Stuart.
(Offline)

12th May 2007, 11:41	#29 (permalink)
SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review Quote: (Originally Posted by colinj) Great review, Thanks, I presume my current VR3 will upgrade to the "Spectrum" spec and therefore the option needed on a classic Inspo would just be the brain, the 2 glands and the 1 or 3 cell back-up? I too am new to this but as the classic handsets on mine have been with AP for two months now with an unresolved fault this seems the ideal way forward, any ideas on cost of 1. complete unit as tested 2. Upgrade to a VR3 "Spectrum" plus remaining hardware for 3 cell display plus HUD Thanks again, excellent stuff Upgrade options are covered on the DeltP web site. http://www.vr3.co.uk/downloads/RebreatherMonitors.pdf The bad news on cost is that someone has just been prosecuted for trying to sell one of his own kidneys to raise money, so you will have to find some other way to pay for it. The URM does not replace the AP electronics, you still need them to control the O2. Simon
(Online)

12th May 2007, 12:40	#30 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,537	Re: Universal Rebreather Monitor Review So let me get this right. I have the latest software (after paying for 3.03aC) and the download dongle and software key. To use this, I must send it in for an upgrade. The upgrade is included in the cost but now my downloader will not work until I buy new USB hardware? Quote: (Originally Posted by vr3 site) The VR3 upgrade required to make it work with a Universal Rebreather Monitor involves removal of the Infra Red link. If you currently use the PC download software with an Infra Red link, this function will no longer be available unless you purchase the USB/hardwire interface. Customers with Infra Red VR3 now using Rebreather Monitor software will be given a free upgrade to the new download software, having purchased the new USB/hardwire interface. Sounds a bit familiar. __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
(Offline)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode