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| Jeff Tindall ![]() rEvo Optima Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cartersville, GA
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| Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton January 6-8, 2010 Choice of Rebreather I had been diving an eCCR for about a year and decided I wanted a unit that was more streamlined and preferably with Shearwater electronics. The rEvo really stood out and the more I read about it, the more I liked it. I really liked the idea of the hybrid system and the frame looked like it would allow me to stream line my gear by moving some gear onto the frame (primarily can light and suit gas). I ended up with a Standard rEvo II Hybrid with the Shearwater controller and a single rEvo dream and HUD. The unit is very well built and trims out great in the water (although a bit more negative than I expected). I chose the rEvo II over the rEvo III due to its slightly thinner form factor, the quick disconnect p-ports for the loop, and the fact that I have no use for the CE certification. Choice of Instructor I primarily cave dive, so my most important criteria was to find someone who could kick my butt. I wanted someone with the experience to teach me how to deal with as many failure scenarios on the unit as possible. I went to the rEvo website and was a bit surprised to see such a small number of instructors in the US. I had read a number of Dave’s posts before and felt he had a lot to offer. I also liked the idea of getting some different perspectives on gear configuration that what I was used to in North Florida. I felt that it was a great opportunity to get a lot of knowledge from a number of areas that I had little previous experience. I contacted Dave and we had a few phone calls about choosing the right rig and how he conducts his training. After a few more calls discussing different configurations and what type of diving I was doing, I had my rig picked out and we setup a timeframe for training. Training rEvo Teardown: On my first day, Dave met me at my hotel and we had a short breakfast. There was no time to waste, so we went over to Wakulla Dive Center and began the training. We started by going over the unit. Dave showed me how to break it down and what each part did and how it worked. Once we got the unit reassembled, we started working on getting it fitted and squared away for me. The two main modifications we made to the stock unit were the addition of a JJ-BOV and an Omniswivel offboard gas block. Couch Discussions: Some of the best training was not even around the unit or in the water. We spent some time the morning after configuring the unit just sitting on the couch talking about different scenarios, how the unit reacts, and what to do in those situations. Dave is a treasure chest of experience and it was very interesting listening to his stories and lessons to be learned from them. But after the stories, we would discuss a dive scenario and he would ask questions and want me to answer. It was a great exercise and he really made me think. Through all of this, I noticed some patterns and was also able to relate scenarios to how the internals of the unit would be acting. By helping me understand the unit at this level, it allows to me think through solving problems that I had not discussed or did not think of yet. Dives During the training, I was diving with my Hybrid rEvo II standard while Dave was diving with his Hybrid rEvo III standard. Both rigs are very well built and there are just a few things that differentiate the rigs. In the end, I chose the rEvo II because it was slightly thinner and CE certification added no value to me. I also preferred the quick disconnect ports for the loop over the threaded style on the rEvo III. Dive 1: Ginnie Springs Basin – In about 10 feet of water, I finally got to swim the rEvo for the first time and it felt great. The goal of this dive was just to get a feel for the unit and make sure our out of water fitting was comfortable. We did a few emergency drills and identified a couple of items that needed to be tweaked – such as a shorter hose for the offboard gas block.By the end of the first day of diving, I felt very comfortable with the unit. I still had a few things that I wanted to work on, but I had learned a lot and felt comfortable with a variety of failure scenarios. Dive 4: Orange Grove Basin – On the first dive in Orange Grove, I took Dave on a tour of the basin and pointed out the main cave entrance, the keyhole to get down to Lower Lower Orange Grove, and the massive cavern. Then we went through more drills and some what if scenarios.By the end of the second day, I felt comfortable going out on my own to gain some more experience. Dave Sutton is a wealth of knowledge and I was fortunate to have him as an instructor. He definitely gave me the knowledge to start my journey with the rEvo. Lodging We started out at Greg Stanton’s shop in Wakulla. He was a great host and allowed us to use his shop to completely breakdown the unit and reassemble it to my needs. He had some great discussion points to add and I had a great time. Given the recent temperature drop, we decided to change our plans and head east since the water was clear and warmer. After we left the Wakulla area, we headed East and stayed at Randy Thorton’s Cave County Lodge (http://www.cavecountrylodge.com/). I remembered reading about the place on Cave Diver Forum and decided to call in to see if it was available. This was at 7:30PM and it just so happened that the place was available for the weekend. Wayne at Amigos was kind enough to drive us to the house since it was already dark. The place was AMAZING. It is like staying at the Ritz. The house was nice and warm, spacious, and clean. There is a garage and screened in porch to stow your gear and there are already rack to hang your stuff. The people are great (THANKS Randy and Wayne), the price is right, and it is only minutes from Ginnie. I will definitely be staying here again. Overall Impression I was happy with my training. I wanted someone to put me through the paces and I feel like I know the rig better for having done so. I am hoping to get to dive again with Dave one day soon – either on his boat or in the Florida caves. |
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| Down to no good Optima Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NJ
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton During the training, I was diving with my Hybrid rEvo II standard while Dave was diving with his Hybrid rEvo III standard. Looking at the photo, Dave's unit looks shorter. Are you sure his is a standard and not a mini?Congrats on your crossover. Nice job to you and Dave. |
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| So Cal Tech Diver ![]() Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: LA
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton Wait a minute... You did your corssover... in CAVERNS? And you thought THAT was "getting your butt kicked"? Why not just use a freaking swimming pool? Or even better, a hot tub? Last edited by aainslie : 12th January 2010 at 15:33. |
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| Down to no good Optima Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NJ
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton If you edited your own post, Andrew, then thanks. You can't bitch about the personal attack ethos and then join the fray. Posts need to be on topic, right? If the post was removed by a mod (new or old), then the thanks go to you. |
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| rEvo's daddy ![]() ![]() rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton Wait a minute... You did your corssover... in CAVERNS? And you thought THAT was "getting your butt kicked"? I would normally never reply to this, but Andrew, does it really make you feel that good, to jump in whenever the name Sutton is mentioned in a post?Why not just use a freaking swimming pool? Or even better, a hot tub? as for 'icestac' congrats on the good choices! paul
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| Jeff Tindall ![]() rEvo Optima Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cartersville, GA
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton Looking at the photo, Dave's unit looks shorter. Are you sure his is a standard and not a mini? His is a rEvo III and mine is a rEvo II. Both are hybrid and both are the standard frame.Last edited by icestac : 12th January 2010 at 17:17. |
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| Jeff Tindall ![]() rEvo Optima Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cartersville, GA
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton Wait a minute... You did your crossover... in CAVERNS? And you thought THAT was "getting your butt kicked"? As for the cross over part, my main concern was getting my butt kicked on the unit -- not in the cave. I have had excellent cave instruction to date and feel comfortable planning and executing dives in that environment. After the course wrapped up on Friday, I did do some cave diving in Devil's as I put more time on the unit. I do not feel that I would have been as comfortable taking the unit into the cave at this point without the paces that Dave put me through. I want to be prepared in the worst of circumstances, so I am all for learning from everyone's experiences and trying them out in the water too. If we're ever down in Florida at the same time, I'd love a butt kicking from you too! Quote: (Originally Posted by aainslie) Why not just use a freaking swimming pool? Or even better, a hot tub? We had originally planned to use Greg Stanton's swimming pool as we were tweaking the rig on the first day, but it was just too darn cold.Cheers! Jeff |
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| Randy Thornton ![]() ![]() ![]() Hammerhead Sentinel Evolution Optima Inspiration Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Draper, Utah / Ft. White, Florida
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton After we left the Wakulla area, we headed East and stayed at Randy Thorton’s Cave County Lodge ([/size][/font]http://www.cavecountrylodge.com/). I remembered reading about the place on Cave Diver Forum and decided to call in to see if it was available. This was at 7:30PM and it just so happened that the place was available for the weekend. Wayne at Amigos was kind enough to drive us to the house since it was already dark. The place was AMAZING. It is like staying at the Ritz. The house was nice and warm, spacious, and clean. There is a garage and screened in porch to stow your gear and there are already rack to hang your stuff. The people are great (THANKS Randy and Wayne), the price is right, and it is only minutes from Ginnie. I will definitely be staying here again. Hey Jeff, Glad you liked my place. Thanks for your kind words. Congrats on your new rig and certification. I hope you get many hours of safe diving out of it! Regards, Randy
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| rEvo's daddy ![]() ![]() rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium
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| Re: Hybrid rEvo II Crossover with Dave Sutton His is a rEvo III and mine is a rEvo II. Both are hybrid and both are the standard frame. for those who don't believe, the weight pocket on top of Daves unit hides the rest of the chassis rEvo III does have a smaller cover then the II standard, but the chassis is +/- the same hight (I also had to look twice first, to see it!) paul
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