World Record - Gigi Casati Reaches -205 with Voyager Rebreather - Vrelo Cave Croatia

atomik

yes, I think

Nad

Yep!

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Mephisto26

I think the urge to go where no man has gone before is the very thing that keeps human beeing advancing itself...if that is something good or bad well may u be the judge...

Also it is very ... to think that somebody puts so much time/effort/money/risk in an endevor and after succesfully completing it he shouldn't be proud to state he had accompished smth nobody had before him...

Personally I'm happy that he came back alive to talk about it!!!

One last thing about records:
In my opinion a record should not count if the diver gets out of the water bent...ok he/she had the balls to go there but made mistakes in planning or executing the dive so it wasn't a succesfull atempt...
Of course this is a very hard statment considering that those dives are done beyond known limits of physiology...

That's the first time I participate in a threat like that...now I wait for the ....


Sunny Greetings from the Yucatan,

Patrick

zoo_diver

WOW!!! This post started off really cool. Just incase you are reading this post, go back to the first post and check out that picture --- what a great dive that had to be! Can you imagine the logistics of just getting down to the water? Meanwhile, here my post is 4 or 5 pages later lost in the generic details of what a world record is.

Fortunate are we who have the opportunity to explore great destinations like this. Congrats.

Caio!!

Drmike

You wont have to wait very long...


You think mistakes in planning or executing are the main or only causes of getting bent on such deep dives? You think getting bent can be avoided? Your deluding yourself. We dont know anywhere near enough about deco to plan such dives with a large degree of confidence to not get bent.


Besides do you think anyone thats diving to these depths isnt getting bent on every dive? Just because its not obvious or caused pain doesnt mean to say you havent damaged yourself. I dont think its currently possible to dive this deep without hurting yourself to some degree. It may not always be obvious damage - but the damage is there maybe waiting - oh I dont know - for the day you dive a shallow 50m wreck before it strikes....

Dont believe the hype you often hear about "and the dive was done DCS free" most of the time deep divers are a bag of sh1t after such dives and some have residual symptoms that they live with afterwards albeit in many cases only slight - damage was done. They just keep it quiet - which hurts others- possibly because of fools who stupidly say things like "if the diver got bent he did something wrong and it shouldnt count"

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Mephisto26

Like in any other sport if I fail I can try again just do it different the next time trial and error so to speak...like this I can find a way to do this dive with (as u say) only hurt my body as little as possible...

I think the art of technical diving lies within knowledge and skill...and on a cutting edge basis experience and knowing ur own body...progressing step by step and closly observing urself after every dive on signs and symptoms...

In my opininon a lot of people get bent in those kind of record dives because the depth differences get extremly big between the latest deepest dive and the next one (150m - 200m and so on)...

Allthough I'm not interested myself in this kind of dives (at least at the moment I'm cruising daily through rather shallow caves) I'm a strong supporter of people who push the envelope to get more information for future deco programs and crush tested equipment and even u might think it is foolish of me but by not counting the record with OBVIOUS signs and symptoms of DCS should ecourage this person to try it again...just in a different way...

But hey, thats just my foolish opinion...and it wasn't the idea of this threat anyway...

Greets from Playa
Patrick

Drmike

In general of course what you say is correct - but is more applicable to shallower dives.

In practice few people are likely to be lucky (or daft) enough to do enough dives to these 200m+ depths and survive long enough to develop a set of protocals they know will work everytime.

Each dive to these depths is in many ways a toss of the coin - anyone who dives to 200m+ in a cave and thinks their odds of not ending up in a wheel chair or dead is better than 50:50 is probably seriously deluding themselves ..imo

Sinking is easy - any fool can dive to 200m+ you just deflate your wing and sink. A dive to 200m is no harder than one to 150m - its just longer and all your risk is associated with the 'great unkowns' which are 90% physiological

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Drmike

you base this opinion on what facts??

The reality is we know bugger all about the deco at these depths for these types of dives and theres a large degree of guesswork -we are all guinea pigs.

You are of course entitled to your opinion but personally Ive done harder dives shallower than 100m than I have done deeper. People get bent on this type of extreme dive mostly because we just don't know what we are doing (in regards to deco) not because they made some error that doing a million progressively deeper dives would have prevented.

Deep diving is russian roulette you dont have the luxury to 'try again' if your in a wheelchair

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AM

Hello.

Taking the opinion that you can minimise things "the next time" and hurt yourself as little as possible is naive at best. You either accept that you're going to get totally twisted and possibly not walk again OR don't do the dive. At the depths being discussed here, there is no such thing as damage limitation. Even the rapid compression to these depths is storing up problems for the future. Entities such as compression arthralgia demonstrate perfectly what a massive strain you are putting on your body at over 20 bars. Remember, the sport diving community has no data about the long term effects of diving to the depths we now consider "routine" and there is evidence from sat diving that neurological dysfunction can manifest itself in the future even when no immediate symptoms were apparent.

Technical diving isn't about equipment, any fool can buy a rebreather and scooter down to depth - it's about understanding the physiological considerations required to come back alive after spending bottom time at depth. There are NO mitigations that you can take beyond 200m to guarantee not getting bent and anyone who thinks they can (or was lucky enough to have got away with it a handful of times) is lying to themselves.

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fireman

Don't commercial divers work (hard) at these sort of depths? Of course most of the sat divers I've met are a little goofy. Perhaps we need to move closer to that paradigm for these dives.
Definately more info would be nice we somebody makes this sort of announcement. Mike's points about sponsorship are interesting--you can't do these sorts of things without them or a trust fund or a very good day job.

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