Submatix CCR 100 SMS

uls · 27th August 2006, 08:45

News

The Submatix CCR 100 SMS Rebreather has now the CE certification.
More informations at submatix.com

Stephane · 27th August 2006, 09:12

Welcome aboard Uls.

Do you have a copy of the CE agreement ? I couldn't see it on your website.

abowie · 27th August 2006, 10:18

Nothing personal, but if your website is an attempt to attract customers, I'd redesign it.

It is very irritating to navigate, and the pictures are far too small.

Having said that (sorry) the rebreather looks really neat and compact.

leptonyx · 27th August 2006, 10:37

Congrats Submatix on the mCCR certification!

I must admit that I for a while had ben hoping for the forthcoming development and certification of another SCR/mCCR by another German brand - the name and make will be omitted here out of politeness - but since it seems that nothing much can be expected from those guys at Lake Constance any more (oops, there it slipped out...) I am very excited about the Submatix product line!

Looking forward to getting in touch with you for cross-over training and test dives!

P.S.: I must admit that abowie does have a point about the site navigation though...

Steve · 27th August 2006, 11:57

Hi and welcome to RBW,

I have a few questions about this CCR and the CE process.

I would have thought that the CE process would stipulate using diving grade sorb rather than medical grade?
Could you please explain the pO2 displays? It looks like it reads from a single sensor. How many sensors does the unit have?
"Attention: The CCR should only be used with at least 2 redundant oxygen ppO2-monitors with acoustical and visible warnings. Systems with 3 sensors and a connected ppO2- monitor and/or a connected dive computer are considered to be not redundant". It might be the translation but this seems a bit odd to me.
Where was the CE testing done and can we see a copy of the test data please?

Cheers

Steve

paulraymaekers · 27th August 2006, 12:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by uls)

News

The Submatix CCR 100 SMS Rebreather has now the CE certification.
More informations at submatix.com

???? according to EN 14143 ?????

regards
paul

TR300 · 28th August 2006, 09:19

In my opinion (I read the EN) it is not clear defined how the oxygen support for a system is to be done. there is only "it must guarantee the live support" So if all equipment is O2 certified and the manufacteur can guarantee that the messuring system is save enough and well documented I think there is no problem to get the CE. There are some other system out there with KISS-Style gassupport with CE on the market so why not.

I think the CK can also get the CE when the WOB is in the CE range

Holger

paulraymaekers · 28th August 2006, 09:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300)

There are some other system out there with KISS-Style gassupport with CE on the market so why not.

Yes????? wich ???

regards
paul

TR300 · 28th August 2006, 10:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

Yes????? wich ???

regards
paul

Paul,

the Aquatek Voyager.

Holger

Stephane · 28th August 2006, 10:51

I think that the Aquatek Voyager is CE approved in the SCR version.

This is what EN14143 states regarding the PpO2:
«The apparatus shall under all conditions of use specified by the manufacturer automatically maintain an inspired partial pressure of oxygen greater than 0,20 bar. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall remain within the limits specified by the manufacturer. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall also be maintained at a partial pressure of less than or equal to 1,6 bar; except during the descent phase(s) of a dive for a period not greater than 1 min where it may increase to a maximum of 2,0 bar. In the event of a failure of the automatic system provision may be made for the addition of respirable gas by the diver. If fitted this shall also be able to satisfy the inspired partial pressure of oxygen requirements of this clause. Testing shall be done in accordance with 6.2, 6.7 and 6.15.»

How can this be done in a KISS system?

27th August 2006, 08:45	#1 (permalink)
uls New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: erfurt germany Posts: 1	Submatix CCR 100 SMS News The Submatix CCR 100 SMS Rebreather has now the CE certification. More informations at submatix.com
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27th August 2006, 09:12	#2 (permalink)
Stephane Stéphane Acounis rEvo3 rEvo2 HH, rEvo1 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 1,042	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS Welcome aboard Uls. Do you have a copy of the CE agreement ? I couldn't see it on your website.
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27th August 2006, 10:18	#3 (permalink)
abowie Fighting Girl Join Date: May 2005 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 577	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS Nothing personal, but if your website is an attempt to attract customers, I'd redesign it. It is very irritating to navigate, and the pictures are far too small. Having said that (sorry) the rebreather looks really neat and compact.
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27th August 2006, 10:37	#4 (permalink)
leptonyx New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Longyearbyen, Svalbard Posts: 55	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS Congrats Submatix on the mCCR certification! I must admit that I for a while had ben hoping for the forthcoming development and certification of another SCR/mCCR by another German brand - the name and make will be omitted here out of politeness - but since it seems that nothing much can be expected from those guys at Lake Constance any more (oops, there it slipped out...) I am very excited about the Submatix product line! Looking forward to getting in touch with you for cross-over training and test dives! P.S.: I must admit that abowie does have a point about the site navigation though...
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27th August 2006, 11:57	#5 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,177	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS Hi and welcome to RBW, I have a few questions about this CCR and the CE process. I would have thought that the CE process would stipulate using diving grade sorb rather than medical grade? Could you please explain the pO2 displays? It looks like it reads from a single sensor. How many sensors does the unit have? "Attention: The CCR should only be used with at least 2 redundant oxygen ppO2-monitors with acoustical and visible warnings. Systems with 3 sensors and a connected ppO2- monitor and/or a connected dive computer are considered to be not redundant". It might be the translation but this seems a bit odd to me. Where was the CE testing done and can we see a copy of the test data please? Cheers Steve
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27th August 2006, 12:00	#6 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 2,475	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS Quote: (Originally Posted by uls) News The Submatix CCR 100 SMS Rebreather has now the CE certification. More informations at submatix.com ???? according to EN 14143 ????? regards paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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28th August 2006, 09:19	#7 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 251	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS In my opinion (I read the EN) it is not clear defined how the oxygen support for a system is to be done. there is only "it must guarantee the live support" So if all equipment is O2 certified and the manufacteur can guarantee that the messuring system is save enough and well documented I think there is no problem to get the CE. There are some other system out there with KISS-Style gassupport with CE on the market so why not. I think the CK can also get the CE when the WOB is in the CE range Holger
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28th August 2006, 09:31	#8 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 2,475	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300) There are some other system out there with KISS-Style gassupport with CE on the market so why not. Yes????? wich ??? regards paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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28th August 2006, 10:40	#9 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 251	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) Yes????? wich ??? regards paul Paul, the Aquatek Voyager. Holger
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28th August 2006, 10:51	#10 (permalink)
Stephane Stéphane Acounis rEvo3 rEvo2 HH, rEvo1 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 1,042	Re: Submatix CCR 100 SMS I think that the Aquatek Voyager is CE approved in the SCR version. This is what EN14143 states regarding the PpO2: «The apparatus shall under all conditions of use specified by the manufacturer automatically maintain an inspired partial pressure of oxygen greater than 0,20 bar. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall remain within the limits specified by the manufacturer. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall also be maintained at a partial pressure of less than or equal to 1,6 bar; except during the descent phase(s) of a dive for a period not greater than 1 min where it may increase to a maximum of 2,0 bar. In the event of a failure of the automatic system provision may be made for the addition of respirable gas by the diver. If fitted this shall also be able to satisfy the inspired partial pressure of oxygen requirements of this clause. Testing shall be done in accordance with 6.2, 6.7 and 6.15.» How can this be done in a KISS system?
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