Submatix CCR

Deep Thought · 23rd November 2005, 00:09

Yesterday (November 21, 2005) I had a very enjoyable dive at Alki Beach in Seattle Washington diving the Submatix rebreather configured with CCR adaption. I was diving the unit without the wing, only using the harness which was quite comfortable. The dive was to 90 fsw where there is a large set of I beams, I believe from a T.V. or radio tower that is covered with white anemone.

I was quite impressed with the ease of breathing in all positions, and only found it slightly sensitive to ADV when I rolled on my back. The unit fits very comfortably on my back, and I was able to utilize the integrated weight pockets for ballast needs. The trim and feel in the water was also good.

Question for divers who actively dive the Submatix: are you wearing the stock wing or supplying your own wing? The stock bladder looks a bit intimidating or bulky…any comments.

100bulles87 · 23rd November 2005, 19:35

hello

I put my jacket on my sub XT directly (seaquest pro lite)

Deep Thought · 23rd November 2005, 19:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by 100bulles87)

hello

I put my jacket on my sub XT directly (seaquest pro lite)

Did you have to drill new bolt holes, or did the current holes line up with the seaquest?

TR300 · 26th November 2005, 16:43

I have fitted mine Submatix (years ago) to an Seaquest PRO QD, it was a very comfortable making. I am not sure the holes on the submatix today, but it should no problem to drill one more in it. I fixed the submatix with stainless steel bolts, the nuts was fixed in the plastic from the jacket so i can screw without holding the nut.
I had done the ccr conversion 3 years ago with the submatix, it is the only way to dive with the submatix even longer.

Holger

100bulles87 · 28th November 2005, 13:08

hello

no holes on submatix i made myself

but I think my stab is too small (28 liters)to put 2 big tank "bail out" ??

trey · 28th November 2005, 13:48

Is there an actual supplier up and running in the US now? Do they have any pricing posted?

Thanks, Trey

Deep Thought · 28th November 2005, 14:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by trey)

Is there an actual supplier up and running in the US now? Do they have any pricing posted?

Thanks, Trey

I think one of the concerns right now is the cylinders are not DOT approved. This may or may not be a concern for divers? When I ordered inspiration ccr’s direct from the UK, I was selling systems with non DOT cylinders to my students and they have not had issues. However a distributor would need to provide cylinders appropriate for the market. There are appropriate cylinders that will fit, so I don’t think it is a big issue.

Another issue that concerned me regarding the ccr model is how to increase the PPO2. While I had a very comfortable dive, and enjoyed the breathing characteristics, I found it challenging to increase the PPO2 without the ADV diluting the mix.

Would any divers who are currently diving the submatix with ccr modification please give your thoughts on adding oxygen and increasing the PPO2

Ron

TR300 · 28th November 2005, 19:50

Hi Ron,

which O2 Booster do you use ?

this one from Submatix or another ?

I have done years ago a CCR conversation with needle valve and pushbutton, this works, i had a strong O2 flow when pushing the manual O2 so on inhaleing the ADV was not flushing.

Holger

Deep Thought · 29th November 2005, 01:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300)

Hi Ron,

which O2 Booster do you use ?

this one from Submatix or another ?

I have done years ago a CCR conversation with needle valve and pushbutton, this works, i had a strong O2 flow when pushing the manual O2 so on inhaleing the ADV was not flushing.

Holger

Thanks for the reply. I was using a submatix supplied push button injector. My initial trials was to descend and add some O2 trying to adjust to the ADV adding. Towards the end of the dive I was holding down for long, long intervals and not finding the PO2 increasing dramatically. If I were to do the same add with a KISS valve I would have a seriously high PO2. My concern is perhaps the location of the oxygen add in the same section of the lung that has the adv. I am confused at where the oxygen was going, and why the loop was not spiking?

ron

scubagrunt · 29th November 2005, 05:01

Ron,
I too have the problem, i am going to try it on Tuesday and turn the Diluent off for the ascent and see if this makes a difference. I did not have too much trouble keeping the PO2 up at depth.
mel

23rd November 2005, 00:09	#1 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Submatix CCR Yesterday (November 21, 2005) I had a very enjoyable dive at Alki Beach in Seattle Washington diving the Submatix rebreather configured with CCR adaption. I was diving the unit without the wing, only using the harness which was quite comfortable. The dive was to 90 fsw where there is a large set of I beams, I believe from a T.V. or radio tower that is covered with white anemone. I was quite impressed with the ease of breathing in all positions, and only found it slightly sensitive to ADV when I rolled on my back. The unit fits very comfortably on my back, and I was able to utilize the integrated weight pockets for ballast needs. The trim and feel in the water was also good. Question for divers who actively dive the Submatix: are you wearing the stock wing or supplying your own wing? The stock bladder looks a bit intimidating or bulky…any comments. __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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23rd November 2005, 19:35	#2 (permalink)
100bulles87 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: limoges france Posts: 7	Re: Submatix CCR hello I put my jacket on my sub XT directly (seaquest pro lite)
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23rd November 2005, 19:41	#3 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: Submatix CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by 100bulles87) hello I put my jacket on my sub XT directly (seaquest pro lite) Did you have to drill new bolt holes, or did the current holes line up with the seaquest? __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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26th November 2005, 16:43	#4 (permalink)
TR300 Home of the TR300 Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 182	Re: Submatix CCR I have fitted mine Submatix (years ago) to an Seaquest PRO QD, it was a very comfortable making. I am not sure the holes on the submatix today, but it should no problem to drill one more in it. I fixed the submatix with stainless steel bolts, the nuts was fixed in the plastic from the jacket so i can screw without holding the nut. I had done the ccr conversion 3 years ago with the submatix, it is the only way to dive with the submatix even longer. Holger __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de
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28th November 2005, 13:08	#5 (permalink)
100bulles87 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: limoges france Posts: 7	Re: Submatix CCR hello no holes on submatix i made myself but I think my stab is too small (28 liters)to put 2 big tank "bail out" ?? __________________ jm from Limoges France
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28th November 2005, 13:48	#6 (permalink)
trey Total NOOB Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 108	Re: Submatix CCR Is there an actual supplier up and running in the US now? Do they have any pricing posted? Thanks, Trey
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28th November 2005, 14:15	#7 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: Submatix CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by trey) Is there an actual supplier up and running in the US now? Do they have any pricing posted? Thanks, Trey I think one of the concerns right now is the cylinders are not DOT approved. This may or may not be a concern for divers? When I ordered inspiration ccr’s direct from the UK, I was selling systems with non DOT cylinders to my students and they have not had issues. However a distributor would need to provide cylinders appropriate for the market. There are appropriate cylinders that will fit, so I don’t think it is a big issue. Another issue that concerned me regarding the ccr model is how to increase the PPO2. While I had a very comfortable dive, and enjoyed the breathing characteristics, I found it challenging to increase the PPO2 without the ADV diluting the mix. Would any divers who are currently diving the submatix with ccr modification please give your thoughts on adding oxygen and increasing the PPO2 Ron __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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28th November 2005, 19:50	#8 (permalink)
TR300 Home of the TR300 Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 182	Re: Submatix CCR Hi Ron, which O2 Booster do you use ? this one from Submatix or another ? I have done years ago a CCR conversation with needle valve and pushbutton, this works, i had a strong O2 flow when pushing the manual O2 so on inhaleing the ADV was not flushing. Holger __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de
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29th November 2005, 01:20	#9 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: Submatix CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300) Hi Ron, which O2 Booster do you use ? this one from Submatix or another ? I have done years ago a CCR conversation with needle valve and pushbutton, this works, i had a strong O2 flow when pushing the manual O2 so on inhaleing the ADV was not flushing. Holger Thanks for the reply. I was using a submatix supplied push button injector. My initial trials was to descend and add some O2 trying to adjust to the ADV adding. Towards the end of the dive I was holding down for long, long intervals and not finding the PO2 increasing dramatically. If I were to do the same add with a KISS valve I would have a seriously high PO2. My concern is perhaps the location of the oxygen add in the same section of the lung that has the adv. I am confused at where the oxygen was going, and why the loop was not spiking? ron __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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29th November 2005, 05:01	#10 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 404	Re: Submatix CCR Ron, I too have the problem, i am going to try it on Tuesday and turn the Diluent off for the ascent and see if this makes a difference. I did not have too much trouble keeping the PO2 up at depth. mel __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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