Submatix

Ben Field

Hiding behind a fake name, don't own a rebreather and base everything on something you read on the internet.... yeah- you must be right

Read the posts/thread suggested above about Submatix's so called CE certification process and you'll see its a bluff to snare some customers and allow them to sell it. Better still ask them in person at a dive show and watch as they can't give an answer... its embarrasing to watch frankly.

In doing this Submatix lost all its respect from alot of people, the rebreather has potential- why do they lie about it?

Better to follow Pauls example and be honest- say it doesn't have one (and try to find a way of getting it approved) I don't own a rEvo but Pauls passion for his creation and honesty are impressive and would give me confidence in his company.

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ianfirmin

I agree. I own a Submatix mCCR and it's fine for what I want to use it for. But this whole CE thing is embarrassing. The CE mark itself is worthless for many things it's used for. In my opinion it's worthless when applied to rebreathers. I would hope that Submatix advertise the CE mark for better reasons than to "snare" a few more customers. However, I have no idea why they use the CE marking. It may make life easier for them in certain markets, I really don't know, but I do know it makes the company look bad to people who know a little bit about Rebreather's and CE marking.

Has anyone actually asked Uwe why he uses the CE mark? His English is not very good and my German is ever worse. Perhaps a German speaking member can ring him and ask and then tell us why.

Kind regards
Ian

Humuhumu

Please read more carefully: I have spoken of the CCR Kiss Style Submatix, not the ST100 SCR...

As I don't want to be importuned, I give no more information but I can tell you, yes I use rebreathers, but I don't want to justify anything. The fact alone that you can write that a CE certification is enough to discredit a unit, is enough for me: have a nice day :-)

Cheers

Humumu

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J. V.

Steph' : sé bitin an nou, mèm mèm !

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Guilhem

Are you sure ? It's been debated at lengths already...
Now, to answer Stephane's specific point above: the SCR and the mCCR are both certified when coming out of the factory. But if you get a SCR, then separately buy the transformation kit and convert it to a CCR, you end up with a machine that is technically not certified anymore, hence the warning in the kit, to force you to go back through your local distributor to perform the conversion. At least, that's the only theory I can think of.


I concur, and as I have no intent to get down to 11 bars, that's why I've gotten a submatix mCCR.

J. V.

Who says that?
Same guy who said month ago he would never dive a CCR ?
Tss tss...

A little Tombant des Américain, mmmm?

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Guilhem

Even on OC I've never went that deep, I stopped at around 10 bars on this beautiful wall . And to go that deep, I will first build up my ccr skills. I never said I won't go that deep. I said I won't with *this* rebreather. In the meantime though, I may change unit, but that will be better left up for next year at least.

Guilhem

Well, I've re-read my post, true it was unclear... My bad...
Anyhow, now is the time for ccr training in moderately shallow water (30-50m), we'll see for the rest in a while, I'm not in a rush

jmurba

All certification problems are interresting.
a certification is normaly a definition of the minimal criteria that a machine must meet to provide a minimal safety.
if the machine is certified to 100m and his users state they would not dive it deeper then 50 m it would be interrested to know why ?
it can mean that the minimal criteria are not severe enough to provide us with a good safety.
it can mean that this rebreather or others have not meet the critéria and that certain certification company are not serious or more liberal then the other ones...
all those certification problems have always puzzled me.
I remember years ago when the dolphin and the buddy were EC approved before the norma was issue (((-:

in my opinion it is always interresting to know how to evaluated rebreathers, what is a good rebreather.

I always ask myself this question in the same way that you are doing all the time.
as we talk about many times I find my dolphin based dolphin a little bit hard to breathe where my buddy who dives the same finds it ok.
I suspect my sensor holder to harder the wob and this is the reason why I am machining a custom one to try to find out if it is ok.

when one buys a machine one have a choice to make, this choice is really difficult because the diver usualy does not try different machines to have an idea.

so what is the choice criterias ?

forum discussions, advice from friends, reputation of a machine ?

it would be fine to be able to read the result reports of the EC tests of the machines that passed the test.

common minimum standard shoulb be issued and the tests result should be published .

the debate will end when all of that be tranparent.

regards

jean mi

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jmurba

you are on the rigth track, my kiss self training started 5 years ago...and I haven't finished it so far...

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