Submatix

Humuhumu

Stop speaking about things you ignore... SUBMATIX CCR is CE certified. If you doubt, please go to the SUBMATIX web and you can read it and even download the manual (even in German :-). So it is no more useful to discuss this point. I am not sure (I have heard it should be) if it is possible to transform an existing SCR to a CCR and get the CE certification, but he will be able to give you information.

If you need an excellent experienced instructor (he is located in France) , I can help you, send me a private message . You can make certifications up to hypoxic trimix diluent and this instructor is of course an official certified instructor (BEES1 if you know what it is: the French governmental certification as professional dive instructor).

Cheers

Humhumu

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Stephane

Please, give me the link for the documentation, I can"t find it ... Thank you.

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Stéphane
Hammer-rEvo powered!

Humuhumu

submatix.com

Then go for English or German and look at Products, you can first see that the CCR Kiss Style is CE certified: it's written on the page, "c'est écrit dessus, comme sur le Port Salut" (as we use to say in France) and you can download the manual.

You have a rEvo ? you know, I suppose that it is not CE certified :-), are you a jalous guy ?

Cheers

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paulraymaekers

Hello Humuhumu... please disclose your real name :-)

I normally never interfere in these discussions, but since you mention the rEvo..

There is a big difference conc the rEvo: we EXPLICITELY state that our unit is NOT CE!!

where as the other unit you mention has explicitely mentioned in other treads that the unit is NOT certified to the PE directive, as it should be, but to the Machinery Directive! (see the mails posted by guliano guinderi)

regards

paul

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Stephane

Me? jealous? No, I'm diving a real rebreather.
Anyway, please give me the page in the manual where it states that the CCR 100 SMS is CE certified.

Last post for me. Paul is right, go read the posts from the guy who certified the Sub, you will learn a lot.

PS: are you Dragon67 ?

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Hammer-rEvo powered!

Humuhumu

I have mentioned the rEvo as the diver who answered has a rEvo (it's a joke, that's all, sorry !). Personally I don't care about this problems and I don't want to discuss about the details of any certification.

The Submatix is CE certified, that's the point and it is written on their web: if you do not agree with that, speak with the guys from Submatix, not with me...

I never said that you do not mention that your unit is not CE, it's definitely not my problem. I said nothing about your unit and to be honest I don't care, as I'm not interested by any unit that have no CE certification. Every diver should decide for himself what is good for him, this is only my personal point of view.

Best regards.

Humuhumu

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Humuhumu

So everything is fine for everybody, even if you lake humor :-) It's not interesting to discuss about things where commercial interests are an issue, personally I don't care.

Have fun with your rEvo !

As I don't want to be importuned, I give no information about my rebreathers or anything else, I only wanted to help the diver interested by the Submatix an unit I have dived a little with. I have finally not bought one, but this is my personal story and I appreciate the instructor, so I don't want him to be bored with people asking for information, it's his business.

Dragon67 ? Why are you asking ?

Cheers

Humuhumu

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andrespp

Hello Humuhumu,

meanwhile you could be right about the Submatix CCR being CE certified, the webpage submatix.com does not specifically tell so.

It says that the SCR is CE, but nothing about the CCR.

I tried the adobe finder on the document (English version of the CCR manual), and found nothing significant.

However, I tried another page, with info in Spanish:
REBREATHER SUBMATIX

and here the CCR is shown as CE certified.

A little bit confusing, at least

Humuhumu

I was on the SUBMATIX web and under "Produkte" (so German web), you can clearly read "CE Zulassung", what means CE certified for the CCR Kiss Style.

If I have time this evening I will scan the article from "OCTOPUS" speaking about the SUBMATIX CCR and his last upgrades (emCCR) and from an instructor.

Cheers

Humuhumu

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jmurba

Hi,
imho it is always useful to discuss,
the question is if such a rebreather passed really the EC tests 100 depth in scr it means that the EC standards are not really safe.
as a matter of fact if you permit divers to get down to 100 m using 6 liters of gas to get to 100m in scr mode it means that you are totaly mad.
the necessary scr flow rate to dive in the 100 zone is 40lt/minutes .
this figure will provide you with a 15 duration on one tank if you keep one of the 2 tanks for nitrox.
if you use nitrox 40 in your second tanks with a 10lt/m flow rate you will get one hour duration max with a switch to be done at 30m .
15' to get down to 100 meters, spend a few time at the bottom and make all you deep stops up to 30m is too short to be done without external tanks.
so in any case of you want to dive down to 100m with your machine you will be forced to modify your rebreather and abandon the EC certification cause a modified.

if we consider that the machine is certified in wiss mode there a law problem many time discussed here (read all the posts about it).
the ec standards state that a breathable ppo2 must be maintained by the rebreather without any diver adjustment, it must be maintained automaticaly.
In kiss mode it is not the case as we all know, notably while ascending the diver must manualy inject gas in the loop to maintain the ppo2 at a sufficient level to keep the gas breathable.

what it is worth to discuss is to know how the certification company has justified the certification in kiss mode if the rebreather has been certified as a ccr kiss rebreather.

it is not to say that this certification should be taken out, it is just an interresting question for all the other kiss rebreather that deserve the same treatement and as far as I know the certification as been refused to all the rebreather makers that told sgs qualitest or other seriour certification company whether such a certification procedure could be undertaken on a kiss styme rebreather.

it is not to say that this rebreather should be banned and that it is a bad machine, but just to say why this one why not the others.

if those question had been properly answered reviously by this company not disscussion would have remained here down so far.

but those questions have not find any real answer sor far and as you can see and despite your willing to stop the discussion the discussion remains alive .

I am not a revo fan, I dive an home built , I enven can say that I don't like the revo personaly for many personal reasons, but I perfectly understant paul's point of view, and revo divers point of views.

the revo is solded world wide, it is a serious machine developped buy a serious guy and backed by really experienced rebreathe pionners like dave sutton but it is not EC certified where the submatix is.

peronaly if I had to dive in the 50m zone I would accept to dive the submatix that is not worst then my crap home built (certainly better ) but if I had to undertake a 100m wreck dive and if I was offered to dive iether the sub or the revo I would definitely dive the revo .

nearly everybody would make this choise , even some submatix divers then I know.

nearly everybody here would not get so deep with this kind of rebreather which is simply not sized for such a aventure.

of course you will always find lads telling you that their breather is the best in the world,

of course everything can be done, diving a sub down to 100 is possible, but is it the right rebreather at this depth ? not sure..

the submatix certification will remain for long a mystery for competitors and even if you say that it is not worth to discuss discussions will go on cause it is the aim of a forum to discuss anything politely.

respectfully yours

jean mi

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