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    Re: Need your feed back

    Quote Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd  View Original Post
    I am listening to you Charlie and I hear you but we like to reduce our offering on bulky packaging sizes not increase them.
    Does the soft packaging idea in exactly the right weight not sound like a hit then.
    It does but inspiration 2.5kg, evolution 2kg, KISS.... it would be a pain if you have a bag that's say 2.5 and you need 2 or 3 cause you'll end up with half empty bags everywhere :)
    I can't see you making half a dozen different sized bags :)

    IF you did it would be easy to travel with - until you split one

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    Re: Need your feed back

    Thirds on the cost issue over here in the US. You're at least 50% more expensive than your competitors due to the supply/distributorship situation, and even with a superior product, that hurts.

    If someone's willing to buy a pallet of a competitor's product (e.g. a bunch of guys going in on it) you can be 250% more expensive (!) Obviously you're not even in the game with that price differential.....

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    Re: Need your feed back

    Quote Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd  View Original Post
    Diving grade is manufactured and tested to a much higher standard, we would not advise anybody to dive on medical grade, it could be a life limiting decision. We and other manufacturers supply diving grade with indicators if you really want them. Indicators became an issue when one manufacturer (not MPL) changed the type of dye that the used which reacted more and gave the scrubber media a bad chemical taste. I believe thay have now stopped this. Does anyone know if indicators still cause changes in taste and if si with what products?
    No discernable taste with pink-to-whte spherasorb, but the colour does regenerate after a while.

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    Re: Need your feed back

    Quote Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd  View Original Post
    I am listening to you Charlie and I hear you but we like to reduce our offering on bulky packaging sizes not increase them.
    Does the soft packaging idea in exactly the right weight not sound like a hit then.
    Bags, packed into carboard boxes?
    Cheaper than plastic containers to manufacture once the casepacker investment is returned. Less problems with bridging in the checkweigh filler with the larger funnel size. Sturdy and less prone to puncture.
    User can then discard the box at his leisure.

    Personally, I will keep buying keg after keg and a load of zip up freezer bags for ready made fills. 2.5kgs like Ian said.


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    Re: Need your feed back

    Stephen,

    Heather is right on the price, Sofnolime goes for about $165 for a 44lb of the 8-12. ( about $3.75/lb )

    Grace Sodasorb runs $85 for 37 lb for 6-12. ( about $2.29/lb )

    As Genesis pointed out, groups of us can get together and buy a pallet of Sodasorb at the beginning of the season and save even more. I've been through 3 kegs this season, and I only started in June. This can be several hundred dollars in savings per year.

    With Sofnolime, even dive shops can not buy directly from the US importer, and our shop buys pallets at at time. When I buy from the local shop, the product has passed through three hands just on this side of the pond.

    Don't get me wrong, my dive buddies and I all agree that yours is the better product. Some of us will pay for the quality, others can't justify it.

    As far as packaging goes, the Kegs are fine for me. We buy tupperware containers or ziploc bag to store/transport a single scrubbers worth.


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    Re: Need your feed back

    Well, the obvious question you will get is "how can we have a superior product at less cost?"

    I think everyone knows that MP is the superior product, but how can we as the user get it at a better cost? In the US, there seem to be a bottle neck with O.C. Lugo. They only sell to sea pearls. The rest of us must deal with them. If I can order a pallet of product, why can't I get it from O.C. directly? Other manufacturers/distributors will sell directly in these quantities. Why won't O.C.? This step through two middle men makes the price of your product out of line.

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    Dave
    Quote Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd  View Original Post
    Hi Dave, I was not aware this was the case. What is the current market price for Sofnolime in the US that you would pay and how does this compare to other products. I would think the way to unblock this bottle neck would be to appoint new distributors in the states. We could not sensibly deal in one pallet lots but could appoint more distributors with the express instruction that they supply direct and not to just to sub distributors as OC Lugo appear to be doing. Every day is a school day. Thank you for the compliment on Sofnolime.

    Stephan, thanks for joining the fray and being so patient and thorough. I would have to say ditto to what dave said. here in seattle it seems that a very unfortunate trend had begun with safnolime. While i have used safnolime a bit, i have made the switch to sodasorb and learned to put up with a little dust however because the price of safnolime is jumping up and the availability is spotty. Here are some numbers for what i have found available to me. I'm not trying to be a skin flint or insulting to you, but here is what the North West diver has available to him.

    The local stores here that carry safnolime have recently raised there prices. A 22lb twin pack is $110 US...that's $210 a keg= $4.75 lb. and to boot, the original kegs are no longer available through most of the suppliers, claiming that they are just no longer available. (compared to bulk internet prices of $145/keg or $3.29/lb incl shipping) These same stores no longer offer sodasorb...so some of the rebreather divers around here are resorting to going in on large palate orders of sodasorb over the internet: a couple of sources offer aprox $91 per 37 lb keg including shipping= $2.45 lb. for palate orders.

    I do believe that safnolime is a superior product (better product uniformity, little to no dust, seemingly a bit longer in duration-at least from what i can tell with the temp stick) and don't really have much i would change about it...except for maybe leaving out the dye altogether since it realy can not be trusted unless you are using it with an anesthesia machine, can see it and have a CO2 monitor to safely economize.

    so i would have to say that there must be some kind of cornering of the market here that has driven the cost of the product up so much that many folks are switching brands...reducing the number of middlemen would undoubtedly help things. I would be willing to pay 20-30% more for safnolime but not 100% more than sodasorb.

    that's my two granules worth,

    Gill Envy

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    Re: Need your feed back

    Yeah, I think the real issue is opening more distribution channels. Having only one US distributor is hurting you badly; I'd definitely like to be able to source this stuff at a reasonable price.....

    I understand transport costs money and so its likely going to be somewhat more expensive than the alternatives, but a superior product can command a superior price and be ok - just as long as its not outrageously more expensive!

    (FWIW I'm just starting to need this stuff.... but anticipate needing a LOT of it in the coming year and onward.... :) )

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    Re: Need your feed back

    (Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd)
    "Diving grade is manufactured and tested to a much higher standard, we would not advise anybody to dive on medical grade, it could be a life limiting decision."


    Can you elaborate on this please, ? The difference in these two products. Tech details welcome.

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    Hi Stephan. Thanks for your input. What most affects activation of Sofnolime, Depth, Cold, Co2, What would be the parameters of changing off an active RB to a bailout RB with an inactive scrubber at depth. Would keeping the scrubber warm even though inactive help? At what minimum temp can one just start breathing of a scrubber? Are the smaller grain sizes better for that scenario? (8/12) Thanks.
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    Re: Need your feed back

    I live in the Ukraine and all absorbents are imported at huge cost because they are classified as medical equipment which attracts a unbelievably high tax (15 dollars a kilo anyone?!). Any chance it could be rebranded as diving equipment. Also, do you have any distributors in Ukraine (or hungary or Czech).

    Also a list of worldwide distributors and instructions on how to order would be helpful.
    Welcome and thanks

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