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    German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    Apparently today, July 27th, Polish Navy has confirmed that a 265m long wreck, which was found near Leba on July 12th by ship belonging to Petrobaltic (a Polish oil company) is a German aircraft carrier, Graf Zeppelin. The wreck lies at 80 meters.

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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    There were also discussions on swedish www.dykarna.nu site and also Ocean Discovery forum.

    That would be a nice wreck to dive...

    Pic from side scan sonar (I think)

    http://xs304.xs.to/xs304/06303/GZ_1.jpg


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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    Quote Originally Posted by jhaaja
    That would be a nice wreck to dive...


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    Well yes, to say "I have done it" would be somewhat cool. But a aircraft carrier is a lot of flightdeck, and almost no superstructure. So there is 99% of the time swimming / scootering and looking at a flat deck.

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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Christensen
    Well yes, to say "I have done it" would be somewhat cool. But a aircraft carrier is a lot of flightdeck, and almost no superstructure. So there is 99% of the time swimming / scootering and looking at a flat deck.
    Is there a possibility that a 265m long and over 30m wide ship has also some nice space inside

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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    Typically a carrier will have plenty of space to explore. The hangarbays wont be much to see unless there are still pieces or aircraft lingering. Otherwise there can be 2 to 3 decks of compartments between the hangar and flightdeck. Below the hangar can get hairy because of the narrowness of the ladderwells. There can be anywhere from 5 to 9 decks below the hangarbay.
    Wish I was there to partake on this adventure.

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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    History of this ship, a "wannabee" with no combat history, is pretty well known except for any changes made to it by Soviets prior to their sinking it as a target exercise. It may contain unexploded bombs.

    See here for photos etc
    http://www.maritimequest.com/warship...f_zeppelin.htm

    Brits invented the carrier, Americans perfected it (purloining a lot of Brit ideas while doing so), Germans and Russians never got close, the Japanese could not sustain their carrier efforts in the face of sinkings/loss of skilled officers/industrial capacity,etc. Carrier battle groups remain hugely expensive weapons sytems beyond the technical and financial means of all current economies except the US, requiring everything from several types of specialized aircraft to state of the art computerized missile defence systems and many thousands of sailors. The huge costs generate regular budget debates even in the US. Not surprising the Soviets used it for a target ship - it would have been quite obvious that it was obsolete (and unusable to them in any case) at the time.

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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    Quote Originally Posted by racer7
    History of this ship, a "wannabee" with no combat history, is pretty well known except for any changes made to it by Soviets prior to their sinking it as a target exercise. It may contain unexploded bombs.

    See here for photos etc
    http://www.maritimequest.com/warship...f_zeppelin.htm

    Brits invented the carrier, Americans perfected it (purloining a lot of Brit ideas while doing so), Germans and Russians never got close, the Japanese could not sustain their carrier efforts in the face of sinkings/loss of skilled officers/industrial capacity,etc. Carrier battle groups remain hugely expensive weapons sytems beyond the technical and financial means of all current economies except the US, requiring everything from several types of specialized aircraft to state of the art computerized missile defence systems and many thousands of sailors. The huge costs generate regular budget debates even in the US. Not surprising the Soviets used it for a target ship - it would have been quite obvious that it was obsolete (and unusable to them in any case) at the time.
    At the time of the sinking 1947 the Cold War had begun. So I think it was wise for the russians to train on sinking a aircraft carrier... That is the best use to it, because they could not use it as a battle ship.

    Hopefully there will be trips to this site soon...

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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    Hi,
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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea


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    Polish Navy Commander Dariusz Beczek holds up an images showing with near certainty that a sunken ship in the Baltic Sea is the Graf Zeppelin, Nazi Germany's only aircraft carrier, on Thursday July 27, 2006 in Gdansk, Poland. The discovery is expected to shed more light on the fate of the ship, which was last seen 59 years ago. The top image shows a Nazi-era drawing of the ship, the second a sonar picture made this week by the Polish navy, and the last, a photograph made in the 1930s during the building of the ship. The size and other characterists of the old photographs and new sonar pictures match up exactly. (AP Photo/Wojtek Jakubowski )

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    Re: German aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin" found at Baltic sea

    Quote Originally Posted by racer7
    Carrier battle groups remain hugely expensive weapons sytems beyond the technical and financial means of all current economies except the US, requiring everything from several types of specialized aircraft to state of the art computerized missile defence systems and many thousands of sailors.
    Errr, may I point you to the forthcoming HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales? 65,000 tons, 274m long.

    I dont think it is a budget issue, its an issue of whether something is needed or not.

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