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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ballester  View Original Post
    Since the deepest part of the cave is only 5 meters. Oxygen tanks do make sense... probably is not that stupid.
    Give them a break... they are not divers for them those are Oxygen bottles the same they use in hospitals why do the diver community still gets idiot with this terms instead of trying to clarify them.

    But they aren't using O2, they are use N2O2. If my job was to report news, and get the facts accurate and correct, I'd do just that. This clown has done anything but. And See BS is still reporting the team is using oxygen tanks while the rest of the world is reporting what is actually being pumped into the cave - AIR.

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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Schultz  View Original Post
    That's horrible news.
    Excuse the metaphor, but these guys are between the devil and the deep blue sea.
    Wait for months (?) in a cave with decreasing oxygen levels or try to shepherd non-divers through a rather long and extreme cave diving situation.
    As much as I love armchair quarterbacking diving situations, this is just an incredibly tough place to be. The best we can hope for is to minimize any further fatalities.
    someone really needs to come up with a plan,what a terrible situation,action needs to be taken from everyone,ie equipment,supplies,more divers,technical support,manpower.sustaining life is prob the most important thing,while people get there heads together and decide.

    well done to the divers who found them,it must have been a emotional experience seeing the children safe.the most important thing is to move on in a positive manner,the situation is serious,there is a whole community's out there putting heads together.

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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    Quote Originally Posted by whynot?  View Original Post
    But they aren't using O2, they are use N2O2. If my job was to report news, and get the facts accurate and correct, I'd do just that. This clown has done anything but. And See BS is still reporting the team is using oxygen tanks while the rest of the world is reporting what is actually being pumped into the cave - AIR.

    If you were reporting news you wanted to put together 1000 words on a topic and move to the other one like all the reporters around the world do.
    This is not investigation news... this is fill newspaper news... 1000 words move on to the other. Give the guy a break.. even here in the UK in Portugal is the same thing... Oxygen tanks, oxygen tanks, breath oxygen...


    Is a minor detail that doesn't contribute in anything to the story. But somehow is driving you mad. :D

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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    "Compressed air" has been known as "oxygen" to reporters long before scuba was not an acronym. Since I was diving in the eighties at least.

    In any case, the reports now indicating extraction op has started. Two experts to a novice, perhaps full face mask with long secondary hose to the extractee. I believe this event will be historical in our community, in terms of the cave diving crash courses for 13 persons who probably never had any interest in diving whatsoever.

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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdiver67  View Original Post
    someone really needs to come up with a plan,what a terrible situation,action needs to be taken from everyone,ie equipment,supplies,more divers,technical support,manpower.sustaining life is prob the most important thing,while people get there heads together and decide.

    well done to the divers who found them,it must have been a emotional experience seeing the children safe.the most important thing is to move on in a positive manner,the situation is serious,there is a whole community's out there putting heads together.
    great news,some rescued already..

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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    I am thrilled that those kids are out and the skills that some of us honed over difficult expensive years were helpful in this rescue. Now I want to know what happened to the Thai diver. Despite the news I ain't buying that a Thai Seal diver ran out of air. Not in that situation where you have teams stringing tanks and a strict mission on the line. Something else happened. What?

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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    So far the most technical details I have found were in this article. The subjects breathed 80% nitrox via positive pressure full face masks.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...-cave-mission/

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    Re: How to get those Thai kids out?

    Quote Originally Posted by tcascione  View Original Post
    I am thrilled that those kids are out and the skills that some of us honed over difficult expensive years were helpful in this rescue. Now I want to know what happened to the Thai diver. Despite the news I ain't buying that a Thai Seal diver ran out of air. Not in that situation where you have teams stringing tanks and a strict mission on the line. Something else happened. What?
    IMHO Its possible that the Tai diver ran out of air. From the footage I have seen and what I can gather it looks like the experienced UK and Australian cave divers were using RB's. It seems that the navy seals were using scuba tanks. Navy seals probably don't have cave diving experience and this guy was an ex seal volunteering to help. I have 45 yrs of commercial scuba and hookah diving experience but in open ocean. When things go wrong and they do, you can find your buddy or free ascent to the surface if its not too deep. If its too deep and you haven't got backup it could be lights out. I have never done cave diving, except shallow ones in the ocean. However I can imagine myself in one. With no surface and in absolute zero visibility, if your lose your guideline on one scuba tank you may only have 30 minutes of air left. Not much time to feel for your guideline and get back if you are in a long run with no surface, its so easy to drown. I imagine this fellow was using one scuba tank at a time so he can be streamline and carting other scuba tanks to stockpile. Very dangerous rescue effort by all and a very sad thing to happen to the Tai diver. I notice the UK rescue diver that carried the boys through some of the more dangerous and tight passages had no concerns about being able to make it back alive himself, but was concerned if the boys he was carrying would make it out alive. I assume the UK cave diver was using an RB which gives you hours of underwater time not like a scuba tank which has only 45-60 minutes air. Even if the UK diver was using scuba himself he had many years cave diving experience which would be critical in this situation. I am not sure but I doubt if navy seals do or have much cave experience. Just my two bob !

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