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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyboy  View Original Post
    As soon as I got my Topaz home from training (late May 2007) I removed the BCD and bought one of the DSS weighted 6-2 plate (-6lbs) adapter and y counterlung yoke. I then put my rig on a regular SS backplate.

    When I started I dove with 2lbs in each counterlung pocket, then quickly switched to 1lb in each pocket (by summer 2007). I currently have 1lb in each counterlung in a mesh bag as lead shot (it sits flat).

    After a year or so my buddy Mike brought me one of his custom SS replacement plates - it completely replaces the plastic plate with an SS one. (-10lb). I use bungees from the crotch strap to secure the counterlungs and that lets them sit as flat as possible. I also added an Armadillo butt plate and sidemount set-up so I could dive my bailout sidemount.

    I've been diving the above rig since 2009 (change to sidemount bailout) without further changes and totally love it. It's all Vancouver Island diving with drysuit, warm underwear and heated vest (except July & Aug).

    Sorry - one change. I used to dive with my additional lead in a DUI weight-and-trim but this summer I switched to just clipping it onto the bottom of the backplate. I like it a lot better in that location, mostly because it's one less harness/thingy to wear.
    Hi Richard,

    I have seen the Deep Sea Supply that Tobin George makes, I think a lot of people are happy with that on the Prism Topaz. Sounds like a great way to go.

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by silent running  View Original Post
    Hello Max, I wasn't aware you could use the P2 CLs as the weight baring/harness, good to know as that was one of the reasons I did not switch over to the P2. The P2 CLs are not as heavy duty fabric wise as the P1 lungs, which were made to double as the weight baring harness. How did the P2 CLs do with the full weight of the unit?

    Also, why did you switch from the Golem to the Diverite butt plate? Thanks, -Andy
    When we unpacked and did the initial assembly on my unit, my instructor suggested that I could either rig a full Hogarthian harness, or just use the counterlungs as shoulder straps. I didn't really want to go to the bother of fitting yet another Hogarthian harness, so I elected for the counterlung option. Seeing buddies who DO have the harness straps trying to get into their units, I was pleased with my decision. The counter lungs are plenty strong to hold the weight of the unit.

    I switched to the Dive Rite Tech butt plate from the Golem plate because of the positioning of the rails. With the narrower Golem plate, the P2 tank valves were in the path my hand had to traverse to hook off my sidemount bailout cylinders. With the DR plate, the rails are just below the valve knobs.

    Your mileage may vary.

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    not that it matters to you, but you can move the rails. Just poke new holes. -Eric

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by H2Ocaver  View Original Post
    not that it matters to you, but you can move the rails. Just poke new holes. -Eric


    I thought of that, I've even done it on my OC sidemount rig, but with the Golem plate, I needed to move them outside the degrees of freedom offered by that particular piece of kit.

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by maxguru  View Original Post
    When we unpacked and did the initial assembly on my unit, my instructor suggested that I could either rig a full Hogarthian harness, or just use the counterlungs as shoulder straps. I didn't really want to go to the bother of fitting yet another Hogarthian harness, so I elected for the counterlung option. Seeing buddies who DO have the harness straps trying to get into their units, I was pleased with my decision. The counter lungs are plenty strong to hold the weight of the unit.

    I switched to the Dive Rite Tech butt plate from the Golem plate because of the positioning of the rails. With the narrower Golem plate, the P2 tank valves were in the path my hand had to traverse to hook off my sidemount bailout cylinders. With the DR plate, the rails are just below the valve knobs.

    Your mileage may vary.

    m
    Hi Max, thanks for the info, good to know the P2 CLs can function the same way as the P1. This is an oft unnoticed and innovative feature of the Prism. CCR diving requires lots of effort already without adding the contortions, fastening and adjustments required to get into your average OTS CL unit. And nobody likes having a heavy DSV/BOV come crashing down on your face while doing the chicken to get into a Hogarthian harness and a pair of CLs! I did a try dive on the P2 and the ADV worked very well, I think partially because of the material the P2 lungs are made out of, which is more pliable than the BC material type CLs of the P1. Not fond of the P2 welded CL fittings as I don't think they are as durable as screw fittings, but they are lighter and its easier to remove and adjust the fittings, thanks to the threads being fixed in place... -Andy

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by maxguru  View Original Post


    I thought of that, I've even done it on my OC sidemount rig, but with the Golem plate, I needed to move them outside the degrees of freedom offered by that particular piece of kit.

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    Hi Max,

    Do you have any of the side to side or rolling issues that some of the side mounts have with your unit?

    Best regards,
    Chett. L

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by Chett.L  View Original Post
    Hi Max,

    Do you have any of the side to side or rolling issues that some of the side mounts have with your unit?

    Best regards,
    So far, no. I always dive with two bailout cylinders. If I did use just one, I'd use a counterweight.

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by Chett.L  View Original Post
    Hi Max,
    it really sounds like a an amazing transformation looking at and understanding.

    Best regards,
    I haven't forgotten that I promised pictures. My rebreather is getting pimped a bit more, starting today. She could be photo-ready by the weekend or first of next week.

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by Chett.L  View Original Post
    Hi Max,

    Do you have any of the side to side or rolling issues that some of the side mounts have with your unit?

    Best regards,
    Chett,

    I have the golum gear sidemount butt plate and use a single bailout because my dives don't require dual bailout. Whether I use an 80 or a 40, I've never had any roll issues with my rig.

    I bought another of the same GG sidemount butt plates for my OC rig to allow me to carry a stage on the occasional longer dive. As all my bottles are rigged sidemount, it was easier to put sidemount on my OC rig than have two sets of bottles. As with the RB, I find even a single 80 sidemount with an HP 100 steel on the back does not cause any rolling. They just seem to disappear at the side.

    For my bottle rigging, I use the method Jill Heinerth demonstrated on a video on her website some years ago.

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    Re: Does anyone add weight in their Counterlungs

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyboy  View Original Post
    Chett,

    I have the golum gear sidemount butt plate and use a single bailout because my dives don't require dual bailout. Whether I use an 80 or a 40, I've never had any roll issues with my rig.

    I bought another of the same GG sidemount butt plates for my OC rig to allow me to carry a stage on the occasional longer dive. As all my bottles are rigged sidemount, it was easier to put sidemount on my OC rig than have two sets of bottles. As with the RB, I find even a single 80 sidemount with an HP 100 steel on the back does not cause any rolling. They just seem to disappear at the side.


    For my bottle rigging, I use the method Jill Heinerth demonstrated on a video on her website some years ago.
    Thanks, I am going to check out the GG SMBP. I am going to re watch jill's video again.

    Best regards,
    Chett. L

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