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    This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    This from BBC News:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-37152871


    Bagpipe lung' warning for wind musicians
    23 August 2016
    From the section Health


    Trumpeters, saxophonists and pipers beware - playing a wind instrument could damage your lungs, UK doctors warn in the journal Thorax.
    They describe a rare but fatal case of what they are now calling "bagpipe lung" in a 61-year-old patient.
    The deceased man is thought to have developed a bad reaction to mould and fungi lurking inside the moist interior of his bagpipes.
    Doctors are urging other musicians to be extra hygienic.
    They say instruments should be cleaned regularly to prevent the build-up of yeast and other harmful pathogens.

    And any player who gets breathless and develops a cough should consider whether their symptoms might be caused by their music practice.
    There have been a couple of other documented reports of similar lung problems in saxophone and trombone players.
    Thankfully, in these cases the cause was identified early and the patients recovered.

    Irreversible scarring
    The lung damage the doctors describe happens when the body's immune system goes into overdrive.
    The inhaled pathogens trigger inflammation and left unchecked, this causes progressive and irreversible scarring.
    Doctors at the Wythenshawe Hospital said they had a hunch that the man's bagpipes might be the cause of his problems.
    The man was a keen piper, practising his music every day.

    He had been unwell for a number of years, with the exception of a few months when he travelled abroad and left his bagpipes at home.
    The doctors sent his bagpipes to the laboratory to check if their hunch was right.
    When the lab report came back it revealed that the instrument was riddled with damp-loving mould and fungi - the types that doctors know can cause lung problems.
    The damage that had already occurred to the man's lungs was irreversible. His condition deteriorated and he died some weeks later.
    Dr Jenny King, a member of the Wythenshawe team who had treated the man, said: "Sadly, in his case, the damage was fatal.
    "If you can diagnose these problems early and remove the trigger then they can be treated and the prognosis is really good.
    "These organisms are around in the air, but they're not usually at a high enough level to cause problems. You do sometimes see this type of lung problem in people who work on farms and are exposed to lots of mouldy hay."
    Andrew Bova works at the National Piping Centre in Glasgow and is an accomplished bagpiper.
    He advised: "Certainly, when it comes to cleaning a woodwind instrument I would say give it a swab after every time you play.
    "The moisture can sit in the nooks and crannies and you don't want that. Moisture can damage the wood so we swab to protect the instrument as much as anything."
    He uses brushes to clean his and says he gives the blowpipe a thorough rinse out with hot water every six months to get rid of any problems.
    "If you have a sheepskin bag, I was told that I should wash it out with hot water and bleach every year. That should get all the germs killed and prolong the life of your instrument.
    "Of course, most people today tend to play synthetic bags. I tell my players that they can unzip those to let the bag dry out."
    Kevin Lamb, chairman of the Windband Association, said all instruments were cleanable.


    Obviously, this can happen in our rebreathers if not disinfected properly!

    Claudia

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    Re: This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    great post Claudia I will get all of my students to read this as part of their course

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-37152871


    Bagpipe lung' warning for wind musicians
    23 August 2016
    From the section Health


    Trumpeters, saxophonists and pipers beware - playing a wind instrument could damage your lungs, UK doctors warn in the journal Thorax.
    They describe a rare but fatal case of what they are now calling "bagpipe lung" in a 61-year-old patient.
    The deceased man is thought to have developed a bad reaction to mould and fungi lurking inside the moist interior of his bagpipes.
    Doctors are urging other musicians to be extra hygienic.
    They say instruments should be cleaned regularly to prevent the build-up of yeast and other harmful pathogens.

    And any player who gets breathless and develops a cough should consider whether their symptoms might be caused by their music practice.
    There have been a couple of other documented reports of similar lung problems in saxophone and trombone players.
    Thankfully, in these cases the cause was identified early and the patients recovered.

    Irreversible scarring
    The lung damage the doctors describe happens when the body's immune system goes into overdrive.
    The inhaled pathogens trigger inflammation and left unchecked, this causes progressive and irreversible scarring.
    Doctors at the Wythenshawe Hospital said they had a hunch that the man's bagpipes might be the cause of his problems.
    The man was a keen piper, practising his music every day.

    He had been unwell for a number of years, with the exception of a few months when he travelled abroad and left his bagpipes at home.
    The doctors sent his bagpipes to the laboratory to check if their hunch was right.
    When the lab report came back it revealed that the instrument was riddled with damp-loving mould and fungi - the types that doctors know can cause lung problems.
    The damage that had already occurred to the man's lungs was irreversible. His condition deteriorated and he died some weeks later.
    Dr Jenny King, a member of the Wythenshawe team who had treated the man, said: "Sadly, in his case, the damage was fatal.
    "If you can diagnose these problems early and remove the trigger then they can be treated and the prognosis is really good.
    "These organisms are around in the air, but they're not usually at a high enough level to cause problems. You do sometimes see this type of lung problem in people who work on farms and are exposed to lots of mouldy hay."
    Andrew Bova works at the National Piping Centre in Glasgow and is an accomplished bagpiper.
    He advised: "Certainly, when it comes to cleaning a woodwind instrument I would say give it a swab after every time you play.
    "The moisture can sit in the nooks and crannies and you don't want that. Moisture can damage the wood so we swab to protect the instrument as much as anything."
    He uses brushes to clean his and says he gives the blowpipe a thorough rinse out with hot water every six months to get rid of any problems.
    "If you have a sheepskin bag, I was told that I should wash it out with hot water and bleach every year. That should get all the germs killed and prolong the life of your instrument.
    "Of course, most people today tend to play synthetic bags. I tell my players that they can unzip those to let the bag dry out."
    Kevin Lamb, chairman of the Windband Association, said all instruments were cleanable.


    Obviously, this can happen in our rebreathers if not disinfected properly!

    Claudia[/QUOTE]

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    Hi Claudia,

    Thanks you posting.

    Best regards,
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    Re: This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    Wow and musicians don't even inhale from their instruments they are just nearby those pathogens. RB divers breathe it in deeply!

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    Re: This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    Well, to die from playing an instrument is crazy... poor patient didn't clean his(her) instrument for at least 30 years.. I wonder of the condition of the instrument... cause most of oils we use (I'm solo horn in Norwegian opera house, if some one wonder about) are chemicals, and I just cleaned my horn yesterday, there are no corrosion in the valves. Those who uses natural oils, need to clean instrument abit more often, but still... But I'm.., sorry his person probably didn't clean anything... No mouthpiece, no leadpipe, no instrument....
    ooooh.. Blh....

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    Early on in my Mark 16 diving, I came home from a 1 day dive trip, and put my rig in the garage. "I'll clean it later" turned into "I'll clean it tomorrow" which turned into "I'll clean it on Monday".

    On Monday, I opened the case containing the rig. The Mark 16 has a clear dome cover on the Center Section, as many of you know. What greeted me was astonishing. The white absorbent pad at the top of the dome was covered with black mold. There was some slimy slick stuff all over the insides of the Center Section and Counterlung.

    That was enough to make me NEVER ignore loop cleaning again.

    Kevin.

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    Re: This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    Disinfecting also includes drying thoroughly. I'm guessing the pipes were seldom allowed to dry out.

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    Re: This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulToz  View Original Post
    Disinfecting also includes drying thoroughly. I'm guessing the pipes were seldom allowed to dry out.
    Speaking of drying, some folks like to use an fan.

    Best regards,
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    Re: This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    I am not telling you what you may want to use as your cleaning agent of choice, and there have been lively discussion about this in the past.....

    What I do recommend is:
    1. Make sure it kills more than bacteria (included viruses and fungus).
    2. You use it appropriately (proper dwell time or exposure-on-surface time)
    3. Allow for as much drying as possible (which is difficult with corrugated hoses)

    Claudia

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    Re: This is why you want to disinfect your loop!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chett.L  View Original Post
    Speaking of drying, some folks like to use an fan.

    Best regards,
    I've always wondered if that damages the flappers at all?

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