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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

    Well one myth the picture of the article at least is debunking (although they never actually said so) is: Rebreather divers have shitty trim!

    It appears that the focus by TDI's article is not well defined. As some already have mentioned, to whom is this directed to? It appears to me that the article is relevant for the potential new CCR diver, while they later shift to more advanced topics that a non-CCR diver would not know what to do with (current limiting, check list use).

    Overall, I am glad to see it and hope it made it to the OC market. Rebreathers aren't just coming...they have arrived! This is were the industry is going, where advances are made and more and more people tend to go.

    CCR's are also plagued with a lot of myth. For the most ignorant, they see it as a death machine rather than life support. It will take some time to turn heads around, but it is inevitable.

    Meantime, I am looking forward to healthy and helpful discussions on any CCR topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamdive  View Original Post
    Well one myth the picture of the article at least is debunking (although they never actually said so) is: Rebreather divers have shitty trim!

    It appears that the focus by TDI's article is not well defined. As some already have mentioned, to whom is this directed to? It appears to me that the article is relevant for the potential new CCR diver, while they later shift to more advanced topics that a non-CCR diver would not know what to do with (current limiting, check list use).

    Overall, I am glad to see it and hope it made it to the OC market. Rebreathers aren't just coming...they have arrived! This is were the industry is going, where advances are made and more and more people tend to go.

    CCR's are also plagued with a lot of myth. For the most ignorant, they see it as a death machine rather than life support. It will take some time to turn heads around, but it is inevitable.

    Meantime, I am looking forward to healthy and helpful discussions on any CCR topic.
    It's been well over a year since any new discussion has been added to this thread. Having read the entire thread I am now wondering what these same posters opinions are in light of the death of Rob Stewart earlier this year? I do not expect any comments from those who are involved in the lawsuits surrounding Rob's death. As some of you likely know, Rob's death was due to drowning as the final event, with "acute hypoxia" (not DCS) as the triggering event according to the Medical Examiner autopsy report.

    I see a CCR machine as far more "complex" than OC for a RECreational diver. Take the Poseidon Mk 6 or 7 as an example. It requires over 50 checks BEFORE you can dive it. The manual has RED cautions throughout. My OC regulator has nothing comparable.

    For those who say they "need" a CCR, I say hmmmmm. A true "need" is Oxygen, food and water, among others. Just how you get this Oxygen can be Simple (breathing on the surface) to more Complex (an OC regulator), to even more Complex (CCR). It's all about the process of Delivery to tissues. I hope you get the point.

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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

    and you are here why?

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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

    Quote Originally Posted by Diver Doc  View Original Post
    It's been well over a year since any new discussion has been added to this thread. Having read the entire thread I am now wondering what these same posters opinions are in light of the death of Rob Stewart earlier this year? I do not expect any comments from those who are involved in the lawsuits surrounding Rob's death. As some of you likely know, Rob's death was due to drowning as the final event, with "acute hypoxia" (not DCS) as the triggering event according to the Medical Examiner autopsy report.

    I see a CCR machine as far more "complex" than OC for a RECreational diver. Take the Poseidon Mk 6 or 7 as an example. It requires over 50 checks BEFORE you can dive it. The manual has RED cautions throughout. My OC regulator has nothing comparable.

    For those who say they "need" a CCR, I say hmmmmm. A true "need" is Oxygen, food and water, among others. Just how you get this Oxygen can be Simple (breathing on the surface) to more Complex (an OC regulator), to even more Complex (CCR). It's all about the process of Delivery to tissues. I hope you get the point.
    And your point is ? Since you breath oxygen thru your regulator I hope you never dive deeper then 6 m ;)

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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

    Quote Originally Posted by EngelenD  View Original Post
    And your point is ? Since you breath oxygen thru your regulator I hope you never dive deeper then 6 m ;)

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    Your going off topic, mate. It's about assembling the facts and THEN, make an assessment. As I stated in the other thread, unless you have read AND comprehended the ME report, you cannot provide an intelligent assessment. It's not about me...it's about the facts, so don't throw the personal flag.

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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

    Quote Originally Posted by Diver Doc  View Original Post
    As I stated in the other thread, unless you have read AND comprehended the ME report, you cannot provide an intelligent assessment. It's not about me...it's about the facts...
    I'm going to say that the fact that you essentially discount off everyone else's opinions (you imply that most won't be qualified to comment by your capitalization of the word "and" in reference to comprehension), makes this about you. This is reinforced by the fact that you don't provide the link to the ME's report, but make people PM you to get that information (from the other thread). I believe that you have wasted a good opportunity to further this discussion, in a civil and productive manner. This, by the way, is my unsolicited opinion and that's all. Please feel free to ignore it and continue to look down upon us ignorant masses...
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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

    Dont feed the trolls

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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Pack  View Original Post
    Dont feed the trolls
    Yeah, I probably shouldn't... LOL

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    Re: "Divers Deserve the Truth about Rebreather Diving"-Article by TDI

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    Dont feed the trolls
    Just mix a little D-con in with the food.

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    I hear warfarin is tasty.

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