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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_Horn  View Original Post
    When you would only functionally see the same product!
    Yes, James, you will only see a 15 year old design that "Worked, just not very well" as late as 2012, (Quote by Dave ******), long after Alex Deas and Brad Horn claimed a" million man hours of testing" and taken peoples money as "Deposits" for 16 week delivery, which then became zero percent development loans in a 2014 newsletter when all the other excuses ran out.

    Every EA who sent in money to this scheme who's true intent was to give Alex and Company a 6 year, zero percent development loan, please raise your hands......

    Strange Brad won't even give a straight answer as to where their bits and bobs are going to be on display..... and where their investors (no longer EA's) can meet up with their debtor, Alex Deas.

    I wonder if Apollo knows exactly who they have gotten into bed with?
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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    personally I'm surprised the scottish government isn't looking for this guy.

    alex be careful who you take deposits from; eventually every pyramid scheme comes down and usually with the leader getting clipped.
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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by saveourseas  View Original Post
    Yes, James, you will only see a 15 year old design that "Worked, just not very well" as late as 2012, (Quote by Dave ******), long after Alex Deas and Brad Horn claimed a" million man hours of testing" and taken peoples money as "Deposits" for 16 week delivery, which then became zero percent development loans in a 2014 newsletter when all the other excuses ran out.

    Every EA who sent in money to this scheme who's true intent was to give Alex and Company a 6 year, zero percent development loan, please raise your hands......

    Strange Brad won't even give a straight answer as to where their bits and bobs are going to be on display..... and where their investors (no longer EA's) can meet up with their debtor, Alex Deas.

    I wonder if Apollo knows exactly who they have gotten into bed with?

    Are you going for pods only if so it want be CE , as i think you need the diver to be able to see the info on said pod,s , if you go with a hand set
    then your prob ok , cant see the point of the pods myself , if you need to have a hand set to meet CE , why would you want the added cost of the pods , and the talking gizmo

    Dont know if they have a hand set as yet , seems all the apox homebuild guys use them shite SW THING,S , you know the ones adw thinks tham to be a death trap to ,

    you may have to make do with the homebuild o2 breather , and then pimp it up , and say fook the CE
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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_Horn  View Original Post
    James, So why would OSEL being at DEMA now, before the iCCR is shipping, be any different?
    When you would only functionally see the same product!

    So essentially your saying NOTHING has been accomplished on the iCCR in 6 years?

    Even if its not complete SHOW US how the product has evolved over the last HALF decade.

    Restore some faith that OSEL has something other than a few injection molded parts that we can stick OTHER peoples electronics on.
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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_Horn  View Original Post
    James, Sorry what on the product HAS needed to evolve? It worked in 2009 and if it wasn't for pesky CE certification, would have been shipped to customers then... its not the product that is the cause of the delay!



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    Sooooo.... what your saying is, in half a decade OSEL has continued to FAIL CE certification?

    Brad, you jump all over real manufacturers because they lack CE certification. GUESS WHAT SO DO YOU.
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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_Horn  View Original Post
    As a tease to what you will see on the collaborative product development front from DL at this years DEMA, here is a hint:
    Is that an automatic buoyancy compensator?
    Controls descent speed and ascent speed, including deco?

    IMHO, that type of technology has no place in normal recreational scuba (OC or RB).
    It's not engineering out a problem. It's removing a very basic skill from the diver's skillset, making him a less competent, less aware and less thinking diver.
    Maybe there will be a market for it, but I really hope that most people avoid gadgets like that, especially when good control isn't just an important skill to learn, it's also easy.

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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Schultz  View Original Post
    Is that an automatic buoyancy compensator?
    Controls descent speed and ascent speed, including deco?

    IMHO, that type of technology has no place in normal recreational scuba (OC or RB).
    It's not engineering out a problem. It's removing a very basic skill from the diver's skillset, making him a less competent, less aware and less thinking diver.
    Maybe there will be a market for it, but I really hope that most people avoid gadgets like that, especially when good control isn't just an important skill to learn, it's also easy.
    i can see lots of gue cave divers wanting one ,

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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Gobfish1  View Original Post
    i can see lots of gue cave divers wanting one ,
    Now that's fuc**** funny !!!

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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Is this going to be one of those deals where AD took a meeting over fish and chips at a pub 1 time and now is going to claim "joint" development?


    Brad, for your sake, I hope AD's has some legitimate connection to this and not some of his BS spin in a PDF.

    If working on this helps provide some measure of financial resources to prop up OSELS clear lack of business acumen, this I really hope this is successful for you guys.


    I can see it now...... someone at DEMA asks the manufacturer "so this is what Alex has been working on?"........... And we get a "Who?" in response.
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    Re: 1000 bucks if AD/Brad Horn Show at DEMA 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_Horn  View Original Post
    If there wasn't a market for it DL wouldn't have been asked to develop it.

    Brad, Developing a product and executing it well in the market place are two completely independent things.


    Engineers get asked ALL the time to create products that have no market in hopes of creating one.

    Others have a superior product, but fail to execute well, Look at Gopro's competition.

    Many Many times companies create a new product because they "think the market exists" Remeber the "New Coke" fiasco Or the Joint Maserati Crysler car?


    I hope you guys dive better than you run a business.

    And I am still waiting on being allowed to tour OSEL's facilities. I can have the G550 fueled and ready in about 5 hours.
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