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    Re: What do you learn in a ccr cave course if you are already oc cave diver?

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck13  View Original Post
    Hi

    you wrote: What do you learn in a ccr cave?

    oh personely i'm again student and not a ccr cave diver it's with many modesty that i answer you

    I believe and i know now do the difference and to recognize a true professional and a customer by example and especially a teacher experimented rather than an inexperienced teacher.
    and many people know do to make also the difference also no?

    Franck
    No offense Franck, but I think we are lost in translation..
    I at least do not understand what you are trying to say

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    Re: What do you learn in a ccr cave course if you are already oc cave diver?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlowDiver  View Original Post
    Not much in my opinion. You already know the rules of cave diving and should know your unit well enough to operated it in the dark or silt out if needed. Now Tom Mount was my CCR instructor and after I completed the rebreather training he knew I would be using it in the caves where I normally dive. So when he came to N. Florida to teach a cave class he ask if I wanted to set in which I did. The only thing the CCR Cave card is good for at this time is it lets me dive Ginnie Springs which is privately own and they require it. May be for there insurance but none of the State Parks or public springs require it at this time.



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    FYI Ginnie Springs DOES NOT require. CCR Cave card, only A Cave Card and CCR Card. Been doing it for 8 years that way, had an issue once from a new employee, and got an apology phone call from Rose the same day.

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    What do you learn in a ccr cave course if you are already oc cave diver?

    Quote Originally Posted by hchoat  View Original Post
    FYI Ginnie Springs DOES NOT require. CCR Cave card, only A Cave Card and CCR Card. Been doing it for 8 years that way, had an issue once from a new employee, and got an apology phone call from Rose the same day.

    That is good news. Must have been the same new guy when I had my issue with on which card did he want to see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrogenius  View Original Post
    No offense Franck, but I think we are lost in translation..
    I at least do not understand what you are trying to say
    I hope good that you aren't offensed sorry for my "bad english" i'm not a cave diver ccr just a ccr diver same if i always dive with my "ariane thread" and with its parachute in sea.

    I believe and its my opinion that a student ccr as me can't be a good ccr cave diver it's as to want to be a true professional ccr instructor recognized or just a customer instructor that isn't the same thing
    teaching quality and experience aren't the same no?

    Franck

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    Re: What do you learn in a ccr cave course if you are already oc cave diver?

    Quote Originally Posted by Franck13  View Original Post
    I hope good that you aren't offensed sorry for my "bad english" i'm not a cave diver ccr just a ccr diver same if i always dive with my "ariane thread" and with its parachute in sea.

    I believe and its my opinion that a student ccr as me can't be a good ccr cave diver it's as to want to be a true professional ccr instructor recognized or just a customer instructor that isn't the same thing
    teaching quality and experience aren't the same no?

    Franck
    Hi Franck,

    no no problem. I am not offended by your english.. don't worry..

    I just wanted you not to be offended as well as I simply did not understand you.
    As for that I still do not understand what you are trying to say..
    Maybe it helps if you break the sentence up in smaller parts.

    So you are saying a CCR student can not be a good CCR cave diver?
    I don't get the instructor part or its relation?

    Cheers,
    Frank

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    no cave course for me and no tempted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by taliena  View Original Post
    I am already oc full cave from TDI and technical cave from IANTD.
    I know there is a ccr cave course. I can do it from IANTD in just 2 dives because I am already full cave diver. What will you learn in that 2 dives?
    Is it worth to spend money on it?
    Gas/bailoutplanning is not too difficult, there no course is needed for if you know, depth, deco, swimmingspeed, etc. The rules for cavediving are not changed if you dive oc or cc. If I go diving, I take my Rebreather most of the times of course. My friends say it is a waste of money, you will learn nothing. My opinion is same at the moment.
    So can anybody tell me why I should consider of spending money for just 2 dives to get a ccr cave card? And what have you learned in that 2 dives what you didn't knew already?

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    Re: What do you learn in a ccr cave course if you are already oc cave diver?

    I did first cavedives now on ccr, with deco, and no problems. Was nice. Techniques are same.
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    Re: What do you learn in a ccr cave course if you are already oc cave diver?

    Quote Originally Posted by taliena  View Original Post
    I did first cavedives now on ccr, with deco, and no problems. Was nice. Techniques are same.
    it's long diving i prefering traditional diving ( bottles or ccr) with apero and bbq after
    not tempted by the caves but i have few friends (no in France) passioned very specialists gouffre,mine etc...


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    Re: What do you learn in a ccr cave course if you are already oc cave diver?

    Dived in some caves last month in Europe. Never asked for any card. And if needed I could show a full cave card and a ccr card, I still don't see any need for doing 2 dives to get a ccr cave card. If somebody knows an instructor who does such a thing for a reasonable price (150-175 euro for 1 day and the 2 needed dives including certification), then I will do it just for fun in a next time I go caving if all fits in my schema and maybe you can learn something in that 2 dives. There is always something to learn, even if you are really experienced, but in my eyes it must fit by price too. My money is not unlimited (and my time is not unlimited too). :)
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