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    Is a 2nd voyager I safe to buy?

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    "Is a second HAND voyager I safe to buy"

    One of two questions that keep my up at the moment. Would like serious input on the premiss that spending above 1500€ is out of the question.

    So there is a Voyager on the net in Italy for 1200€.
    I know a guy who does training on them. It is already complete for SCR and MCCR.

    Would it be a good idea to buy it?

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    Re: Is a 2nd voyager I safe to buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudfish  View Original Post
    So there is a Voyager on the net in Italy for 1200€.
    Only if they Give you 1200E to take it off their hands, you can then sell the unit to Dignitas and you should then have enough to buy something else.

    FWIW 1200euro would buy a second hand Inspiration, a unit with current existing manufacturer, service, parts and training available.

    IMO You should at least double your budget to pay for training then triple the budget to cover travel, consumables and spares to get yourself CCR ready.

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    Re: Is a 2nd voyagerI safe to buy?

    What you are saying does sound a bit discouraging.

    The incident in Triest seems to have been caused by gross negligence of the machine maintenance and of the instructors duty to stay with their pupils. They were left alone. And there was something wrong with their machines: hose not properly attached to the scrubber.

    Although it is off putting, the incidient is due to human negligence not actually to a bad construction of the Voayger itself. As far as the newspaper article in Italian describes it. Still...

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    Is a 2nd voyager I safe to buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Field  View Original Post
    Only if they Give you 1200E to take it off their hands, you can then sell the unit to Dignitas and you should then have enough to buy something else.

    FWIW 1200euro would buy a second hand Inspiration, a unit with current existing manufacturer, service, parts and training available.

    IMO You should at least double your budget to pay for training then triple the budget to cover travel, consumables and spares to get yourself CCR ready.
    Agrée for most but in Germany and Belgium there are enough trainers available so you don't have to spend money on traveling , enough fresch water lake's to practice.

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    Re: Is a 2nd voyager I safe to buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudfish  View Original Post
    SHOULD READ:
    "Is a second HAND voyager I safe to buy"

    One of two questions that keep my up at the moment. Would like serious input on the premiss that spending above 1500€ is out of the question.

    So there is a Voyager on the net in Italy for 1200€.
    I know a guy who does training on them. It is already complete for SCR and MCCR.

    Would it be a good idea to buy it?
    I know some cave diver who used the Voyager for pretty deep and long diving. Luigi Cassati, Alberto Cavedon, Matteo Ratto... they all went where I never will go with my rebreather :) Atomik (Matteo Ratto) at the moment use a HH and he is also on this forum. Ask him.
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    Re: Is a 2nd voyager I safe to buy?

    I used the Voyager for 3 years like others people. I know more than 10 divers that use it also in this moment. Of course there have been many accidents (more proportioned to others machines), but I always consider the problem in the negligence of use, more for inexperience and bad use of a standard mccr.

    The voyager is not longer produced from some year. You can find some used at very low price, but you must consider that you don't' have training agency, resellers or assistance.

    The CCR standard version has only 3 cell readers, no hud or alarms. To dive at classic depth limit of a mccr I think that is not so bad, but non comparable with rebreathers of today,… but also in the price :)

    You must pay particular attention to restyle Oxy input, the Voy in all existent versions, has a switch to open /close oxygen (like P-SCR for the flow).. more dangerous because if you close for error during dive, you can understand.. . :-/

    dive safe
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    Re: Is a 2nd voyagerI safe to buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_Horn  View Original Post
    It wasn't just a single incident on the Voyager as theres a few more to also consider that are listed at http://www.deeplife.co.uk/or_files/R...ase_100725.xls

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    dont go by the deeplife info as its very much skewed as we all know , listen to the people who own and have owned them (the unit in question ) they really are the info group you can trust , especially ones who have experience on multiple units ........not self made rebreather gods

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    Re: Is a 2nd voyager I safe to buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by atomik  View Original Post
    I used the Voyager for 3 years like others people. I know more than 10 divers that use it also in this moment. Of course there have been many accidents (more proportioned to others machines), but I always consider the problem in the negligence of use, more for inexperience and bad use of a standard mccr.

    The voyager is not longer produced from some year. You can find some used at very low price, but you must consider that you don't' have training agency, resellers or assistance.

    The CCR standard version has only 3 cell readers, no hud or alarms. To dive at classic depth limit of a mccr I think that is not so bad, but non comparable with rebreathers of today,… but also in the price :)

    You must pay particular attention to restyle Oxy input, the Voy in all existent versions, has a switch to open /close oxygen (like P-SCR for the flow).. more dangerous because if you close for error during dive, you can understand.. . :-/

    dive safe
    Matteo R.
    Grazie Matteo!

    Per il corso: Conosco un istruttore ad Aci Trezza (vicino Catania/SIZ) che fa corsi per il Voyager e anche per il Meg o L' Insp.
    Ho ogni fiducia in lui. È piu tedesco di tanti tedeschi che cognosco qui.

    Per il reb: Se ho capito bene mi sugerisci di cambiare il manual valve. Questo cambiarebbe il prezzo del unit un bel po.

    Grazie per il tuo post. Mi è molto utile.

    Robert
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    Re: Is a 2nd voyagerI safe to buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by udtabn  View Original Post
    dont go by the deeplife info as its very much skewed as we all know , listen to the people who own and have owned them (the unit in question ) they really are the info group you can trust , especially ones who have experience on multiple units ........not self made rebreather gods
    Not to worry. Trying to do just that.
    I checked the German Taucher.Net and boy is there a lot of hot air in that forum. So I am filtering.

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