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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Hey Lance,

    Give Matt Partridge a shout he can help you out for sure.

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer4545  View Original Post
    Unfortunately we have had to cancel the trip with Jamie this year due to Jamie having to return to the UK.

    I have been looking for an alternative but without Jamie's expertise and local knowledge we really are just wasting our time.

    My apologies for everyone who wanted to join us and lets hope Jamie is back on deck next year.

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    Lance
    Man I hope Jamie is doing OK
    Cheers,

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Bowen  View Original Post
    Hey Lance,

    Give Matt Partridge a shout he can help you out for sure.
    Thanks for the recommendation, i know lance I did his mod one and trimix class a few years ago.

    we are on the opposite side of Thailand, and going into of season.

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Prayers are with You Jamie, get well soon

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by tecdivertraining  View Original Post
    thats is guys promo diving in some of the worlds deepest caves as a holiday!!!

    good call matt.

    ...sorry your worse fears turned out to be well founded.

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Drmike  View Original Post
    good call matt.

    ...sorry your worse fears turned out to be well founded.

    How so?

    It is my understanding that the recent fatality was as much a local as Matt is (and maybe more so) and if you would have failed to return from a dive in the same cave would you not then be known as a tourist (non-resident in the country) on a diving vacation?

    It is unfortunate that their was a fatality in the cave but frankly it has nothing to do with a qualified diver on vacation in Thailand diving in that cave.

    John

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    By definition any trip away from home and work that is not work related is a "Holiday".

    The person who lost his life in the cave diving accident you're discussing was a Brit who had living in Thailand for many years, was married to Thai national and had children with his wife.

    He was a Trimix Instructor and although we was not a cave instructor, was a full cave diver and did take other full cave divers into the cave system where the accident occured and others in the area prior to the accident.

    This was a tragic accident and had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he held foreign passport.

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by donlabbruzzo  View Original Post
    By definition any trip away from home and work that is not work related is a "Holiday".

    The person who lost his life in the cave diving accident you're discussing was a Brit who had living in Thailand for many years, was married to Thai national and had children with his wife.

    He was a Trimix Instructor and although we was not a cave instructor, was a full cave diver and did take other full cave divers into the cave system where the accident occured and others in the area prior to the accident.

    This was a tragic accident and had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he held foreign passport.

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    climb off your soap box you missunderstood the point.

    These caves (especially sra keow) can turn really ugly really fast. They are not 'tourist' caves. The use of the word tourist here has bugger all to do with nationality or where someone lives so you two can climb off your soap boxes. Its a derogatory term often used to describe a diver who is more curious than qualified. Its a reality that once the location of a site, be it a wreck or a cave, becomes known to the masses its usually followed by an influx of a different type of diver from those who found/opened it up or from the type of diver who would go looking for a cave. This is something me Matt and Ben disussed before when we pushed these caves - the fear that if we 'advertised' the sites that unqualified or inexperienced divers would go there - a fear that turned out to be well founded

    The point is ive seen people follow my lines like lemings who had no business on a 30m reef let alone a wreck. They are there because the site has been opened up its location advertised. They will happily just follow someones line for a bit then come out, but they often have no idea what to do if anything goes wrong. Bringing 'tourists' in to such sites can only spell disaster.


    The fact the the deceased was a qualifed cave diver only proves my point that these caves shouldnt be on the 'anyone ok tourist dive map' If an experienced cave diver and instructor can get into trouble there -anyone can. These caves can turn ugly fast. In Sra Keow the viz is usually zero at the entrance but if your down there during a rain shower which comes often and unanounced during the rainy season you will lose viz right down to 90m depth. Move a half a meter off the line in the main chamber of sra keow and i doubt you would ever find the line again given the size of the room the location of the line and the fact your miles from anything you can tie a line to do a search. And the lines are not very good in that cave at all - if it snaps a diver who cant keep his cool really well will not make it. In song hong its surprisingly easy to lose orientation too. go a little way upstream or downstrean and get turned around on OC you better guess the exit direction well (there wasnt any arrows last time i was there, but that may have changed)

    Its also a weak argument to suggest its safe for anyone in the sink. Its still an overhead with overhanging edges in places the lines going around and about are confusing- easy for non cave divers to get into trouble if they panic.


    Bottom line these caves should not be a place where 'tourists' are taken. Qualified or experienced cave or wreck divers of course no problem. It may well be the case that Lance is vetting people carefully before letting them in, my comment wasnt directed at him especially but a general agreement that Im sure the deceased, Matt, Ben or anyone who knows these caves well would agree upon that we should try not to encourage unqualified or inexperienced divers to go there.
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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Drmike  View Original Post

    Bottom line these caves should not be a place where 'tourists' are taken. Qualified or experienced cave or wreck divers of course no problem. It may well be the case that Lance is vetting people carefully before letting them in, my comment wasnt directed at him especially but a general agreement that Im sure the deceased, Matt, Ben or anyone who knows these caves well would agree upon that we should try not to encourage unqualified or inexperienced divers to go there.
    Mike

    A point of clarification. Lance was not vetting the people that might have wished to go to the cave. That was my responsibility. I can assure you that no one other than a highly qualified cave diver with documented deep cave diving experience would be going. In the announcement we tried to be sure to indicate such a requirement with " Depending upon qualification, experience and interest dives at Song Hong and/or Sre Keow caves may be conducted in addition".

    There was never any intention to allow anyone other then a certified cave diver to visit any cave. Many Many certified cave divers visit Mexico and Florida yearly for the sole purpose of using their vacation time to dive the caves. This was to be an opportunity for those people to visit the caves in Thailand should they wish to and also be qualified. Nothing more and nothing less.

    John

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    Re: Gulf of Thailand Virgin Wreck Expedition 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by jkaterenchuk  View Original Post
    Mike

    A point of clarification. Lance was not vetting the people that might have wished to go to the cave. That was my responsibility. I can assure you that no one other than a highly qualified cave diver with documented deep cave diving experience would be going. In the announcement we tried to be sure to indicate such a requirement with " Depending upon qualification, experience and interest dives at Song Hong and/or Sre Keow caves may be conducted in addition".

    There was never any intention to allow anyone other then a certified cave diver to visit any cave. Many Many certified cave divers visit Mexico and Florida yearly for the sole purpose of using their vacation time to dive the caves. This was to be an opportunity for those people to visit the caves in Thailand should they wish to and also be qualified. Nothing more and nothing less.

    John

    John
    good. so we agree then

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