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    Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    So, for the past 4-5 months or so I've taken a hit in the frequency of diving. First recent occurrence was during Monkey's Cay Sal trip. Not sure what kicked it off, but my back was killing me... A quick trip to an Urgent Care, some steroids and naproxin and I was 'good as new'.

    Fast forward a few months, loading up for a full day on the water in December, and I slipped at the dock. Caught myself, but really torqued something up. Then went on to a full day of some pretty strenuous diving - currents were ripping... Next morning I was a crooked as a branch, hunched over to the side. Spent a month trying to figure things out with Urgent Care's (hight of Holiday season, travel, etc) who suggested Bursitis - more Naproxin and Steroid packs. Finally went to an Ortho, who after a visit or two; ordered up an Xrays, MRI, and diagnosed as Sciatica. I'd be hunched over for 60-120 minutes in the morning, stretching things out, then relatively fine the rest of the day.

    3 caudal epidural steroid injections later, quite a bit of PT and I'm at the point where I can just about stand straight first thing in the morning. Doing lots of ab workouts to strengthen my core, and things are moving in the right direction.

    I was able to get out this past Saturday afternoon, and after the first dive, I could feel the strain taking its toll during the SI. I'm typically a flat horizontal trim, sometimes head down. I've been making a point to elevate my rig, using a pelican box, so I don't "crouch" under to stress the lower back when donning, and I started to remember the little plastic "slide" on the few rEvo's I've seen, and began to wonder if a permanent stand, which would provide something to prevent my back\ass from over arching, might be in order....

    Was wondering if someone might have some educated thoughts on whats going on, and why these supports 'help'...

    -Tim

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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    I can't give any kind of answers for you. I just wanted to tell you that I would definitely get some good back pains if I forgot to pull down the plastic back support on my rEvo. With the plate extended there ws never any pain at all.
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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    Before the new frame for the Optima (which is a pretty good height), I built an elevator that worked pretty well as far as my back and shoulders go. You are welcome to give it a try.

    The second thing I would suggest is to try a Transpac or Transplate set up. Everyone that makes the switch seems to say that it makes gearing up (especially) much easier on the back, neck and shoulders.

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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    I swear by the transpack set-up! The Nomad wing also provides some nice back/ a$$ buoyancy to make things easier. Back pain always seemed to attack after a lot of long diving.

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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    I would recommend learning some Yoga to practice a bit before diving to help keep limber... Massage and Acupuncture are a helpful drug-less option for back pain in particular as well. If it were me, I'd rely on the "big guns" (meds) judiciously... most of them have a reputation for rotting your gut over time if used too often.

    If you are using the standard meg harness, that could be your problem...compared to something like the transpac its like the difference between sleeping on the floor and sleeping on a tempur-pedic! IMHO, don't listen to anyone who try's and makes you feel like a woosey for using a "fru fru" pack, let them wear their own hair shirt.

    Frames also help distribute the weight across your back, sparing the low back from hyper extending. Avoiding the downward spiral of nerve inflammation and muscular splinting sometimes comes down to simple adjustments.

    IMHO, hand off more of your gear before coming up the ladder... and lug it in smaller increments... if your back is tight from the dive, you can really tweak it getting out of the water with a lot of gear on or lugging too much at a time.

    I've suffered from low back pain most of my life due to multiple horse back riding and motorcycle accidents. I've ended at least a few dives barely able to walk when i've pushed it too hard, it's no fun.

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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    This is solely the only reason why I still keep my Narked at 90 stand. Every time I take it off, my lower back just kills me.
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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill Envy  View Original Post
    Frames also help distribute the weight across your back, sparing the low back from hyper extending. Avoiding the downward spiral of nerve inflammation and muscular splinting sometimes comes down to simple adjustments.

    IMHO, hand off more of your gear before coming up the ladder... and lug it in smaller increments... if your back is tight from the dive, you can really tweak it getting out of the water with a lot of gear on or lugging too much at a time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pawel Szopinski  View Original Post
    This is solely the only reason why I still keep my Narked at 90 stand. Every time I take it off, my lower back just kills me.
    Bailout gets handed up these days.... and I have a N@90 stand en route, going to give that another try...

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    Quote Originally Posted by netmage  View Original Post
    Bailout gets handed up these days.... and I have a N@90 stand en route, going to give that another try...
    Another way is getting a taller can from Leon which resets on your butt as well instead of the lower back and supports stages on the bench.
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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    I’m too am a strong believer that the taller you are, the more important a stand becomes to prevent back pain. I’ve had a ‘trick’ back ever since an ugly trampoline accident while a teenager. When I added a stand to my standard height Meg, back pain became a thing of the past. As the others say, proper height stands change where the weight of the rig bears from the small of the back- right where my nerve pinch happens- the top part of your butt, where most of us have amble ‘padding’.


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    Re: Stands\Supports, Disc Herniations...

    This is one of teh main reasons I made my own design stand.
    (Nothing out there had all the features I wanted)

    I haven't gone without a stand since my first couple of training dives. Not only was the back pain a, well, pain, (sorry for the pun) but gearing up with (usually) short tables/shelves/walls/rocks/whatever I could find would also cause a lot of pain and awkwardness.

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