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    Re: who makes the rules and where are they kept?

    Bear in mind a statement made to me recently by a Moderator:

    "This is an enterprise, not a democracy".

    That's exactly what it is, and the terms of service are intrepreted by the administrators and moderators to suit the "enterprise". Individual members opinions are essentially irrelevent to the "enterprise" and since the privilege of being here is a 'take it or leave it' proposal, you either suck it up, or you leave. There are MANY expert rebreather divers who will simply not participate here, and the "enterprise" issue is the main reason why. It's not a democracy.... so just take that for what it's worth.

    My personal opinion is that if the one owner of the site (Stuart) wanted to rejuvinate what is becoming staler and less relevent by the day, due to over-moderation of content, he would refresh the moderators. A good way to do that would be by encouraging member participation in the process (IE: stand for election on a rotating basis for a specified term of service). There are some good moderators now, and some bad ones. The issue is that there's no way to remove one, and if you try, or try to offer conflicting opinions as to the quality of the 'management'... well, you stand to be banned yourself for making waves. But again, it's not a democracy. The issue that ought to be pointed out is that there are a large number of people who feel the site is over-moderated for content, as opposed be being moderated for simple obscenity and abusive postings. It's my humble opinion that if this issue is not addressed before long, that the frustration of many in not being able to hold frank discussions will end in another forum being founded on more democratic principles. That would fragment the community, and is probably not in the best interest of the community. This is something that Stuart really ought to give some thought to, and if Rebreather World is to compete in the world of differentiation, it needs to adjust and adapt as the community matures. The Northwest Designs Rebreather List was dominant for almost a decade, and then RBW came and NWD ended as a result. To think that RBW will continue indefinate dominance is a fantasy unless it adapts and evolves. A new influx of fresh moderators would be a good step. Fresh ideas never hurt any organization, save for entrenched leadership boards, which is why evolution takes place slowly unless the members simply demand change.


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    Re: who makes the rules and where are they kept?

    Dave would you care to elaborate on what you feel is moderation for content? I follow the forum fairly closely and do not feel content is moderated, only offensive posts or unrelated posts, and usually the latter is broken off into a separate thread.

    Cheers,

    Ben.

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    Re: who makes the rules and where are they kept?

    My post was moderated on the Doria mishap just for agreeing with Dave about relationships that have taken years to establish on Rebreather World. I have very few post on Rebreather World and all are very benign
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    Re: who makes the rules and where are they kept?

    Hello,

    Actually I believe the rules are kept in a lock file cabinet in the basement where the light is out and the stairs are gone. By the way, watch out for the wild animals that roam down there.

    Pretty standard location for such documents.


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    Re: who makes the rules and where are they kept?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexv  View Original Post
    My post was moderated on the Doria mishap just for agreeing with Dave about relationships that have taken years to establish on Rebreather World.

    That's moderation for purely emotional and political reasons. Make no mistake about it. There are hundreds of other examples, but to discuss them openly would be a violation of the rules... see "Catch 22". The issue is that 'certain' Moderators are now moderating based on personal emotional issues and not comparison to some specific criteria. That's a real shame. If you don't like someone, click off the "ignore" button and forget about it.

    But... .. If we could really have a frank discussion about this we could move past the current status and build something better. Sadly.... we're not allowed to do that here.


    The USS Monitor is mind-blowing. Zero current yesterday, 100+ vis, could deco next to the line and not even hold on. Unbelieveable. Lots of stuff on the website divethemonitor.com


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    Re: who makes the rules and where are they kept?

    Excellent points Dave, and I'm glad you are getting some great diving in, the web site is cool.

    This is actually a very important point at the moment. If you don't think we are on the cusp of a big change in rebreathers and diving in general, please take a look at the OR rebreather in formation.

    I have no reason to doubt anything Alex has said--but if his product is half as good as advertised, it will revolutionize diving in many ways.

    It will obviously effect the market for new units.
    It will effect the value of the units you have sitting in the closet or on your back.
    It will change the way we look at RB accidents--because of the data recording.
    It will effect the legal environment that manufactures and training agencies operate in.

    And
    It will hopefully make us all safer, keep more money in our pockets and allow us to have more great underwater adventures.

    The point is, like the business of manufacturing RB, this forum is going to change, either be involved or be left behind.

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    Re: who makes the rules and where are they kept?

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