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    Sking Bend info...

    I have heard it said that every skin bend is really a neuralogical bend. Is this one of those urban fairy stories or is there truth in it?

    Also on the subject how would one know if one had a skin bend as presumably if you did not see the skin in your dry suit how would we know? Does it go tingly or does one loose sensation?

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    Stuart

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    Hi Stu,

    Never had a bend skiing myself , seen a few skin bends though ha ha ha.......

    Cheers,

    Dave

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    Urban legend. having said that, a lot of skins also present with neuro (anecdotally).

    Any bend should get the 5 min neuro anyway and remember, our bodies don't have nice neat 'compartments'

    /Z

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    Quote Originally Posted by schford
    I have heard it said that every skin bend is really a neuralogical bend. Is this one of those urban fairy stories or is there truth in it?

    Also on the subject how would one know if one had a skin bend as presumably if you did not see the skin in your dry suit how would we know? Does it go tingly or does one loose sensation?
    (Edit): I know some people call the slight redness in blotches skin bends. Looks a bit like someone has an allergy. I am sure they are right. Spots, or spider marbling that seem to mean nothing. The ones I refer to below are the solid red patches.

    I am not an expert on this, by any means. Just a few things I have witnessed:

    1. The skin bends I have seen hurt, like being scalded. Damage is similar.
    2. Each person I know personally who has had a skin bend, later on had neurological problems, in some cases very mild, but in a few cases, very severe or long term disability.
    3. Untreated DCS seems to trigger in some cases a gradual, even very gradual, reduction in neurological function, in limbs in particular. Seen this too often to be a co-incidence.
    4. If you have been bent before, you recognise there is a feeling. That feeling must be neurological. Then one sees the skin burns. Suggests again, there is something deeper when there is a skin burn.

    Interesting to ask: how many people have had an untreated skin bend, and have some sort of peripheral neuropathy later? Mild bends seem to manifest themselves as peripheral neuropathies, quite often, and often not immediately. Again, just an observation: I am not a medic, nor am I a medical statistician.

    How many divers have peripheral neuropathies (loss of sensation in fingers or legs, limbs going to sleep, pins and needles in arms or legs more than normal, neurological pain)? I know quite a few with peripheral neuropathies, but know no-one who is not a diver with a neuropathy. Co-incidence? Could be. Would be interesting to survey divers who have been diving for more than 6 years on SCUBA.

    Perhaps someone on this list who has been involved in long term follow up of DCS cases can cast more light on these observations.

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    Alex

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    Over the years, I have come to accept as wisdom the view that if you feel tired after a dive more than doing a similar amount of exercise, you have a mild DCS, and next time be much more gentle on the deco/ascent rates/O2.

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    A skin bend is a rash, presumably caused by local bubbling in the local tissues. Doesn't necessarily have itching or numbness etc associated with it. The rash can look like a red patch, bruising, marbling or an allergic sort of thing. Remember other things apart from DCS can cause a rash (marine stings, allergies to soaps, wetsuit or drysuit squeeze etc). An isolated skin bend is usually pretty benign (i.e. not likely to cause major troubles) but remember it may be the START of a major bend, and there is a possible link between PFO, skin bends and major neurological bends.

    So I would recommend seeking advice for ANY problem, no matter how apparently mild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schford
    I have heard it said that every skin bend is really a neuralogical bend. Is this one of those urban fairy stories or is there truth in it?

    Also on the subject how would one know if one had a skin bend as presumably if you did not see the skin in your dry suit how would we know? Does it go tingly or does one loose sensation?

    Thanks

    Stuart

    Hi Stuart,

    I have seen a few skin bends in addition to the symptoms Richard describes the affected patch can also look normal but feel hot to the touch. scroll down this link http://www.sdm.scot.nhs.uk/decompres...ness/index.htm for more info'

    Safe diving,
    Steve

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