[Drmike]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Humuhumu)

Hi,

the only important thing for the BOV is that it should be neutral under water (I don't intend to train specially to be able to hold it in my mouth). Everything else is uninteresting for me, excepted: it should be reliable and easy to switch to (just in case).

so work of breathing is not important to you?

wob = (Generally) large passageways.

not much point having a bov that breathes like sh1t (as most do)

try the kiss one then tell me tiny is good

[Decodiver]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Military have their specs and their requirements - failure to meet everyone of them doesnt automatically mean the unit is no good.

Bang on brother, quite the opposite.

I have extensive experience of various pieces of military hardware that were utter crap and their manufacturers roared through the requirement hurdles........

SA80 anyone............................................ .........?

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

[iain-hsm]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

I dont understand what you mean.

Perhaps you can explain.

You incorrectly suggested that Sentinel is a miliary reject - when it wasnt.

Now are you suggesting that not having large enough infrastructure at the time to be awarded large military order is something to be ashamed of?

As you likely well know when the military place large multi million pound purchase orders their potential vendours have to meet certain size, capacity, Infrastructure and other requirements. Its hardly surprising (or anything to be ashamed about) that at the time of the tender (CCRB having only just started operating) they were not able to fullfill that size/capacity requirement.

I note you do apear to have an axe to grind against CCRB.


final thought: Prism is 'military reject', Inspo is 'military reject', who gives a t0ss? Military have their specs and their requirements - failure to meet everyone of them doesnt automatically mean the unit is no good.

Mike
Your words, these are your words above Mike, not mine. I have no axe, just maybe too sharp a pencil (for some) besides both the military both here and the US are into equal opportunites and actively encourage small companies.

For example Kevin Juergensen (Juergensen Marine) were awarded the US Navy Mark16 Mod 2 contract, Also Prism (your comment above) have won contracts with Paragon Space Development both hardly huge companies but non the less they have military contracts.

So back to the Sentinal I now ask "What Military has bought the “military” version? Please name them, just one (1) even, name just one military customer that has bought this “military” rebreather. iain

[Nad]

Quote: (Originally Posted by iain-hsm)

So back to the Sentinal I now ask "What Military has bought the “military” version? Please name them, just one (1) even, name just one military customer that has bought this “military” rebreather. iain

Sorry but did you read that Mike didn't speak about the military version of the Sentinel but the Ouroboros?

Are discussions always to go around military ?

Personally, thanks to the experience, if military say something is good I will never buy it because probably (98%) is true the opposite.

It is the same story about guys who speak about their military career: most of them are special force... It is possible that none of the many other soldier dive CCR? In general I have the same aproach: if someone tell me he was in some special forces probably is true the oposite.

Finally:
Military is not a guaranty of quality but a guaranty to have your bank account full if you sale them something.

Nad

[Decodiver]

Nad, my friend, you mean Special Farces yeah?

Cheers,

Dave.

[Ilikerisk]

Quote: (Originally Posted by iain-hsm)

Mike
...

So back to the Sentinal I now ask "What Military has bought the “military” version? Please name them, just one (1) even, name just one military customer that has bought this “military” rebreather. iain

If you want to dig up the rejection document and post it so we can all discuss the reasons the U.K. military actually decided against the Boris, that sounds like it would be a very useful conversation. As someone seriously considering a Sentinel, I would be very interested in observing that discussion.

But just shooting out "you suck because the military didn't buy it" isn't productive, distracts from the issues rather than focuses on them, doesn't help me as a potential consumer, and frankly is not consistent with the decorum, mutual respect, and reasoned discussion of disagreements that generally characterizes these excellent forums.

[iain-hsm]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Bang on brother, quite the opposite.

I have extensive experience of various pieces of military hardware that were utter crap and their manufacturers roared through the requirement hurdles........

SA80 anyone............................................ .........?

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Dave.
With all your (Quote) "extensive experience" I have taken today from your website page 4 "Features background and overview" you quote of the Sentinel M (Military) option.

Again I ask: How many Navy's in the world have bought this product?

[iain-hsm]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ilikerisk)

If you want to dig up the rejection document and post it so we can all discuss the reasons the U.K. military actually decided against the Boris, that sounds like it would be a very useful conversation. As someone seriously considering a Sentinel, I would be very interested in observing that discussion.

But just shooting out "you suck because the military didn't buy it" isn't productive, distracts from the issues rather than focuses on them, doesn't help me as a potential consumer, and frankly is not consistent with the decorum, mutual respect, and reasoned discussion of disagreements that generally characterizes these excellent forums.

I like Risk.
Sorry but no one shot out "You Suck etc, etc" and would refer you to the second paragraph of my first post number 12.
With respect it has been the answers to my questions that have been (as you say above) not consistant with the decorum etc etc. iain

[Humuhumu]

Hi,

I don't care if the navy has or not bought Sentinel or Boris rebreathers or any other machines ! Since I have used a DC55 I am convinced that the needs are not the same....

What I can see is a company like CCRB having probably from a business point of view, some issues with the sales numbers of the Boris. Obviously they have then taken some parts of this rebreather and have developed a new product with better chances in the recreational market.

I cannot believe a minute that they have redeveloped parts like the electronics for the Sentinel, that makes no sense, they have simply repackaged the product to sell it cheaper without frustrating the Boris customers...

That's my opinion and nobody has to agree !

Cheers

Bertrand

[Ilikerisk]

Quote: (Originally Posted by iain-hsm)

I like Risk.
Sorry but no one shot out "You Suck etc, etc" and would refer you to the second paragraph of my first post number 12.
With respect it has been the answers to my questions that have been (as you say above) not consistant with the decorum etc etc. iain

It seems to me that both sides have been inconsistent with decorum etc., but that you started it.

Regardless of who started it, what's important is to refocus the discussion where it can be productive. I encourage again: Please post the military's rejection document so we can discuss the actual reasons for the rejection with particularity and logic.

I accept that CCRB offers a military version of the sentinel and that no-one's bought it yet -- but I have no idea of how to interpret that information, and the "debate" taking place as to whether the military generally makes good or poor procurement decisions is not helpful.