Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin?

obakesan82 · 8th February 2006, 01:45

Ok I know that Divesorb has slightly larger granule size as well as a slightly different form than 6-12 Sodasorb which means the canister will pack slightly tighter and may have a slightly higher WOB but are there any other factors that would make me not want to use Sodasorb? I might be able to get a very decent deal on some Sodasorb which would save me some cash. Opinions from the more experienced folks? I am ok with a slightly higher WOB and perhaps slightly shorter canister duration.

Thanks!

ken chung ar · 9th February 2006, 07:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82)

Ok I know that Divesorb has slightly larger granule size as well as a slightly different form than 6-12 Sodasorb which means the canister will pack slightly tighter and may have a slightly higher WOB but are there any other factors that would make me not want to use Sodasorb?

hi obakesan82,
are you a ghost born in the year of 1982?

i asked the same question in May last year. joe radomski was kind enough to answer that. as he is now in Truk, i may be allowed to post his previous answer.

"6-12 sodasorb is too fine for the draeger, but you can use the standard 4-8 (sodasorb or sofnolime) in the draeger". one drawback is to reduce the overall duration of the stack for those that specify 812 sofnolime, (which does not apply to the draeger).

ken chung ar

obakesan82 · 10th February 2006, 03:46

Yep it is my nicname this is true

but I was not born in 82 that is for something else.

I tried a search but was not able to find the answer. I thought it would increase the WOB but still might be usable. A guy near me has 10 kegs of the stuff that he would let go for a great price. I've never used it so I thought I'd ask.

Are the plum blossoms coming out yet? I was in Tokyo and Kyoto around this time last year and they had started to bloom.

Thanks for the answer.

silent running · 10th February 2006, 06:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82)

Ok I know that Divesorb has slightly larger granule size as well as a slightly different form than 6-12 Sodasorb which means the canister will pack slightly tighter and may have a slightly higher WOB but are there any other factors that would make me not want to use Sodasorb? I might be able to get a very decent deal on some Sodasorb which would save me some cash. Opinions from the more experienced folks? I am ok with a slightly higher WOB and perhaps slightly shorter canister duration.

Thanks!

Hello obakesan82, do you mean Dragersorb or is Divesorb the one made for Drager? I can't remember, it's been so long since I used the stuff... -Andy

obakesan82 · 10th February 2006, 23:11

DiveSorb which according to Drager has a particle mesh size 5-9. The Sodasorb would have simply saved me some serious money this dive season as he has it on eBay for $45 a tub and he is 100 miles from me so no shipping.

Ken · 11th February 2006, 00:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82)

DiveSorb which according to Drager has a particle mesh size 5-9. The Sodasorb would have simply saved me some serious money this dive season as he has it on eBay for $45 a tub and he is 100 miles from me so no shipping.

It's not bad stuff. A tad dustier in my opinion, requires more tamping and a tad slimier when water hits it. It can be a pretty good deal.

silent running · 11th February 2006, 02:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82)

DiveSorb which according to Drager has a particle mesh size 5-9. The Sodasorb would have simply saved me some serious money this dive season as he has it on eBay for $45 a tub and he is 100 miles from me so no shipping.

Yes, now I remember. Everybody I know says that the Drager product is the least hard, most dusty and last choice, although I think they are all dustier than I wish they were. I never liked using it, but that was all there was back then. When you look at it closely it looks sort of mushy, like it was extruded while still pastey. You mentioned above that you thought that the duration of the 6-12 would be shorter? This is not correct, it would be longer than the Drager stuff. I didn't know it was 5-9, then the WOB on the 6-12 shouldn't be much higher at all. I certainly would give it a go. Sodasorb is supposed to the hardest, I use 6-12 in my Prism and I think they really mean it when they say that the granules are 6-12, some are much bigger than others, so the WOB should be reasonably close to 5-9. -Andy

***caveseeker7*** · 11th February 2006, 04:22

Sofnolime is harder than Sodasorb and hence a bit less dusty.
Sodasorb tends to have slightly larger (or more large) granules than Sofnolime.
Sodasorb supposedly has a bit higher absorbant capacity in the fine mesh
and a bit more in the coarse granules (4-8 mesh).

Since the Dräger has backmounted counterlungs I for one would opt for the larger mesh
to get the best WOB possible, so I would go with Sodasorb 4-8.

silent running · 11th February 2006, 08:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Sofnolime is harder than Sodasorb and hence a bit less dusty.
Sodasorb tends to have slightly larger (or more large) granules than Sofnolime.
Sodasorb supposedly has a bit higher absorbant capacity in the fine mesh
and a bit more in the coarse granules (4-8 mesh).

Since the Dräger has backmounted counterlungs I for one would opt for the larger mesh
to get the best WOB possible, so I would go with Sodasorb 4-8.

Hi Stefan, supposedly the most recent formulation of Sodasorb is harder than anything else, haven't checked yet. But I think it is still much less dusty/soft than Drager stuff. Are you sure that the WOB will be noticeably higher with 6-12 than 5-9? Seems like the average gap/breathing space btw the range of 6-12 might be pretty close to 5-9... -Andy

***caveseeker7*** · 11th February 2006, 14:43

8-12 has a hardness of 98, ain't getting much harder than that.

6-12 is around 94, 95 iirc.

I'm not sure about the WOB differences, but I figure the people that
sell mil spec units can afford the testing (or have the mil afford it)
and they seem to settle on a coarser grade than 6-12 and 8-12.
So, me thinks, they probably know something I don't.

8th February 2006, 01:45	#1 (permalink)
obakesan82 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 92	Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Ok I know that Divesorb has slightly larger granule size as well as a slightly different form than 6-12 Sodasorb which means the canister will pack slightly tighter and may have a slightly higher WOB but are there any other factors that would make me not want to use Sodasorb? I might be able to get a very decent deal on some Sodasorb which would save me some cash. Opinions from the more experienced folks? I am ok with a slightly higher WOB and perhaps slightly shorter canister duration. Thanks!
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9th February 2006, 07:49	#2 (permalink)
ken chung ar Divemaster Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Megalodon Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inhabitant of the City of the Garden for Sharing Pleasure with Every Man and Woman, JAPAN Posts: 40	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82) Ok I know that Divesorb has slightly larger granule size as well as a slightly different form than 6-12 Sodasorb which means the canister will pack slightly tighter and may have a slightly higher WOB but are there any other factors that would make me not want to use Sodasorb? hi obakesan82, are you a ghost born in the year of 1982? i asked the same question in May last year. joe radomski was kind enough to answer that. as he is now in Truk, i may be allowed to post his previous answer. "6-12 sodasorb is too fine for the draeger, but you can use the standard 4-8 (sodasorb or sofnolime) in the draeger". one drawback is to reduce the overall duration of the stack for those that specify 812 sofnolime, (which does not apply to the draeger). ken chung ar __________________ KCA APD Evolution and Draeger Dolphin pilot Inhabitant of the City of the Garden for Sharing Pleasure with Every Man and Woman JAPAN
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10th February 2006, 03:46	#3 (permalink)
obakesan82 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 92	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Yep it is my nicname this is true but I was not born in 82 that is for something else. I tried a search but was not able to find the answer. I thought it would increase the WOB but still might be usable. A guy near me has 10 kegs of the stuff that he would let go for a great price. I've never used it so I thought I'd ask. Are the plum blossoms coming out yet? I was in Tokyo and Kyoto around this time last year and they had started to bloom. Thanks for the answer.
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10th February 2006, 06:15	#4 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,836	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82) Ok I know that Divesorb has slightly larger granule size as well as a slightly different form than 6-12 Sodasorb which means the canister will pack slightly tighter and may have a slightly higher WOB but are there any other factors that would make me not want to use Sodasorb? I might be able to get a very decent deal on some Sodasorb which would save me some cash. Opinions from the more experienced folks? I am ok with a slightly higher WOB and perhaps slightly shorter canister duration. Thanks! Hello obakesan82, do you mean Dragersorb or is Divesorb the one made for Drager? I can't remember, it's been so long since I used the stuff... -Andy
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10th February 2006, 23:11	#5 (permalink)
obakesan82 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 92	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? DiveSorb which according to Drager has a particle mesh size 5-9. The Sodasorb would have simply saved me some serious money this dive season as he has it on eBay for $45 a tub and he is 100 miles from me so no shipping.
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11th February 2006, 00:08	#6 (permalink)
Ken Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 326	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82) DiveSorb which according to Drager has a particle mesh size 5-9. The Sodasorb would have simply saved me some serious money this dive season as he has it on eBay for $45 a tub and he is 100 miles from me so no shipping. It's not bad stuff. A tad dustier in my opinion, requires more tamping and a tad slimier when water hits it. It can be a pretty good deal.
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11th February 2006, 02:49	#7 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,836	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Quote: (Originally Posted by obakesan82) DiveSorb which according to Drager has a particle mesh size 5-9. The Sodasorb would have simply saved me some serious money this dive season as he has it on eBay for $45 a tub and he is 100 miles from me so no shipping. Yes, now I remember. Everybody I know says that the Drager product is the least hard, most dusty and last choice, although I think they are all dustier than I wish they were. I never liked using it, but that was all there was back then. When you look at it closely it looks sort of mushy, like it was extruded while still pastey. You mentioned above that you thought that the duration of the 6-12 would be shorter? This is not correct, it would be longer than the Drager stuff. I didn't know it was 5-9, then the WOB on the 6-12 shouldn't be much higher at all. I certainly would give it a go. Sodasorb is supposed to the hardest, I use 6-12 in my Prism and I think they really mean it when they say that the granules are 6-12, some are much bigger than others, so the WOB should be reasonably close to 5-9. -Andy
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11th February 2006, 04:22	#8 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,496	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Sofnolime is harder than Sodasorb and hence a bit less dusty. Sodasorb tends to have slightly larger (or more large) granules than Sofnolime. Sodasorb supposedly has a bit higher absorbant capacity in the fine mesh and a bit more in the coarse granules (4-8 mesh). Since the Dräger has backmounted counterlungs I for one would opt for the larger mesh to get the best WOB possible, so I would go with Sodasorb 4-8. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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11th February 2006, 08:53	#9 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,836	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Sofnolime is harder than Sodasorb and hence a bit less dusty. Sodasorb tends to have slightly larger (or more large) granules than Sofnolime. Sodasorb supposedly has a bit higher absorbant capacity in the fine mesh and a bit more in the coarse granules (4-8 mesh). Since the Dräger has backmounted counterlungs I for one would opt for the larger mesh to get the best WOB possible, so I would go with Sodasorb 4-8. Hi Stefan, supposedly the most recent formulation of Sodasorb is harder than anything else, haven't checked yet. But I think it is still much less dusty/soft than Drager stuff. Are you sure that the WOB will be noticeably higher with 6-12 than 5-9? Seems like the average gap/breathing space btw the range of 6-12 might be pretty close to 5-9... -Andy
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11th February 2006, 14:43	#10 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,496	Re: Sodasorb 6-12 as replacement for Divesorb in Dolphin? 8-12 has a hardness of 98, ain't getting much harder than that. 6-12 is around 94, 95 iirc. I'm not sure about the WOB differences, but I figure the people that sell mil spec units can afford the testing (or have the mil afford it) and they seem to settle on a coarser grade than 6-12 and 8-12. So, me thinks, they probably know something I don't. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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