hose weights

decoweenie · 7th February 2006, 17:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

Here's a pic. of YBOD rings on a CK hose. Looks like a tighter fit...but they do fit.

Looks like you need a hose-trim there, Ken... Hate to see what happens without that hose weight on your left side...

JohnDuncan · 7th February 2006, 17:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

Here's a pic. of YBOD rings on a CK hose. Looks like a tighter fit...but they do fit.

those hoses do seem VERY long.

Ken · 7th February 2006, 17:27

Guys...those very, very long hoses were shipped with the earlier CK's. I called them the spaghetti-noodlers.

IMO the hoses with the CK's have always been a tad too long, or too short. An 18"/ 19" hose would be just perfect.

decoweenie · 7th February 2006, 17:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

Guys...those very, very long hoses were shipped with the earlier CK's. I called them the spaghetti-noodlers.

IMO the hoses with the CK's have always been a tad too long, or too short. An 18"/ 19" hose would be just perfect.

Just trim them down before using, simple procedure...

JohnDuncan · 7th February 2006, 17:33

I did have those long hoses on my unit when I bought it second hand, but now have the 25" (?) hoses after the originals got damaged. I borrowed a set of the short ones to get through my MOD1, but they left my gums bleeding as they held the mouthpiece in my mouth like a pair of elastic bands.

Ken · 7th February 2006, 19:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Just trim them down before using, simple procedure...

Interested...how did you ensure an airtight fit on the connector(s)? Two hose clamp job around the corrugation?

Additionally, the 17" hoses with the new QC connectors feel less like a trip to the SM chamber. A few centimeters here and there can make all the difference in the world. It's not perfect, but certainly better.

decoweenie · 7th February 2006, 19:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

Interested...how did you ensure an airtight fit on the connector(s)? Two hose clamp job around the corrugation?

I had Inspiration hose connectors on all 4 ends so it is simple to trim. BTW, I was also using Ray hose so the ID is larger and hose more stretchy thus easy to have them short.

Quote:

...the new QC connectors feel less like a trip to the SM chamber...

If you are referring to installing the QC connectors, then yes.

I love to ask new KISS students to install the QC connectors since it looks so simple to do, but not quite so for first-timers.

After the students have torn 1/2 their hair out, then I show them why they pay the big bucks (not compared to Joe's) for the course...

Ken · 7th February 2006, 20:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I had Inspiration hose connectors on all 4 ends so it is simple to trim. BTW, I was also using Ray hose so the ID is larger and hose more stretchy thus easy to have them short.

If you are referring to installing the QC connectors, then yes.

I love to ask new KISS students to install the QC connectors since it looks so simple to do, but not quite so for first-timers.

After the students have torn 1/2 their hair out, then I show them why they pay the big bucks (not compared to Joe's) for the course...

No fair dude

Using them AP connectors is way too easy.

As per the KISS QC connectors they require some pre-study and reheasal. I could see some new Kissy students getting weak at the knees before installation.

decoweenie · 7th February 2006, 22:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

No fair dude

Using them AP connectors is way too easy.

Remember that Rebreather diving is a thinking sport. Use the right tool for the job and everything is way too easy...

Ken · 7th February 2006, 22:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Remember that Rebreather diving is a thinking sport. Use the right tool for the job and everything is way too easy...

That maxim applies to just about anything in life. I also know that some of the AP style connectors had some early teething issues. It would be interesting to get feedback from early CK users on how they’ve adapted to either the short style hoses, or super longish hoses.

What I’d really like to know is whether there is a hose supplier who could fabricate something in the 18-19 inch range. The right hose length is the first step towards ‘easy’.

7th February 2006, 17:12	#11 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) Here's a pic. of YBOD rings on a CK hose. Looks like a tighter fit...but they do fit. Looks like you need a hose-trim there, Ken... Hate to see what happens without that hose weight on your left side... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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7th February 2006, 17:18	#12 (permalink)
JohnDuncan Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bristol, United Kingdom Posts: 134	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) Here's a pic. of YBOD rings on a CK hose. Looks like a tighter fit...but they do fit. those hoses do seem VERY long.
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7th February 2006, 17:27	#13 (permalink)
Ken Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 323	Re: hose weights Guys...those very, very long hoses were shipped with the earlier CK's. I called them the spaghetti-noodlers. IMO the hoses with the CK's have always been a tad too long, or too short. An 18"/ 19" hose would be just perfect.
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7th February 2006, 17:30	#14 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) Guys...those very, very long hoses were shipped with the earlier CK's. I called them the spaghetti-noodlers. IMO the hoses with the CK's have always been a tad too long, or too short. An 18"/ 19" hose would be just perfect. Just trim them down before using, simple procedure... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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7th February 2006, 19:39	#16 (permalink)
Ken Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 323	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Just trim them down before using, simple procedure... Interested...how did you ensure an airtight fit on the connector(s)? Two hose clamp job around the corrugation? Additionally, the 17" hoses with the new QC connectors feel less like a trip to the SM chamber. A few centimeters here and there can make all the difference in the world. It's not perfect, but certainly better.
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7th February 2006, 19:47	#17 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) Interested...how did you ensure an airtight fit on the connector(s)? Two hose clamp job around the corrugation? I had Inspiration hose connectors on all 4 ends so it is simple to trim. BTW, I was also using Ray hose so the ID is larger and hose more stretchy thus easy to have them short. Quote: ...the new QC connectors feel less like a trip to the SM chamber... If you are referring to installing the QC connectors, then yes. I love to ask new KISS students to install the QC connectors since it looks so simple to do, but not quite so for first-timers. After the students have torn 1/2 their hair out, then I show them why they pay the big bucks (not compared to Joe's) for the course... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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7th February 2006, 20:40	#18 (permalink)
Ken Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 323	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I had Inspiration hose connectors on all 4 ends so it is simple to trim. BTW, I was also using Ray hose so the ID is larger and hose more stretchy thus easy to have them short. If you are referring to installing the QC connectors, then yes. I love to ask new KISS students to install the QC connectors since it looks so simple to do, but not quite so for first-timers. After the students have torn 1/2 their hair out, then I show them why they pay the big bucks (not compared to Joe's) for the course... No fair dude Using them AP connectors is way too easy. As per the KISS QC connectors they require some pre-study and reheasal. I could see some new Kissy students getting weak at the knees before installation.
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7th February 2006, 22:07	#19 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) No fair dude Using them AP connectors is way too easy. Remember that Rebreather diving is a thinking sport. Use the right tool for the job and everything is way too easy... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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7th February 2006, 22:44	#20 (permalink)
Ken Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 323	Re: hose weights Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Remember that Rebreather diving is a thinking sport. Use the right tool for the job and everything is way too easy... That maxim applies to just about anything in life. I also know that some of the AP style connectors had some early teething issues. It would be interesting to get feedback from early CK users on how they’ve adapted to either the short style hoses, or super longish hoses. What I’d really like to know is whether there is a hose supplier who could fabricate something in the 18-19 inch range. The right hose length is the first step towards ‘easy’.
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