RON - Feedback

***caveseeker7*** · 28th June 2007, 05:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherNut)

I am aware that Switzerland is not part of the EU. Hence, I am Swiss

.

I won't hold that against you, I hear the holes are only in the cheese.

Anyway, the Halcyon rumor may well be the reason why none of the pSCRs
have been officially offered in the US.

db8us · 28th June 2007, 08:31

I guess also that the market for these kind of breathers is fairly small.
In my opinion there is almost no businesscase justifying the whole thing from R&D, training, warranty, documentation.

It might also be that the market is just saturated now.
Most diver do not NEED a rebreather for diving since their dives could be easily done on a 80cuft tank.

Those wo like the technology (and i understand and accept that reason for others) are more likely buying ECCR's.

But this is again my personal thinking only.

Michael

**PhilSiswick** · 28th June 2007, 13:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

I guess also that the market for these kind of breathers is fairly small.
In my opinion there is almost no businesscase justifying the whole thing from R&D, training, warranty, documentation.

It might also be that the market is just saturated now.
Most diver do not NEED a rebreather for diving since their dives could be easily done on a 80cuft tank.

Those wo like the technology (and i understand and accept that reason for others) are more likely buying ECCR's.

But this is again my personal thinking only.

Michael

With the CE issues on top of the ones you list, this must be a very difficult market in Europe. I can well understand that manufacturers will drop out.

It's a shame - competition is good.

Cheers,

**Freef** · 28th June 2007, 15:39

CE maeks are required for supply of equipment TO a buyer the EU. If items are supplied outside the EU then the mark isn't required.

As for an RMV keyed SCR, I think it is a good idea, it's difficult to find info out about them on google [I'm interested in the design and operation]. CMF designs are good enough-and I own one-but I use mine as a gas extenton tool, and the RB80/EDO etc give even better duration.

Shame they look like a fridge on your back though.

OceanOpportunity · 28th June 2007, 16:13

are the EDO's available? I've tried to contact them via e-mail, and no response. I'd love to get my hands on one of these, a RON, or similar.

FrankG · 28th June 2007, 21:45

Thank you for letting me know. Anyway I know at least 4 guys that would be interested in having such unit. RB80 is "imported" without being certified. Just correct me if I'm wrong. So could be that RON is manufactured outside of EU and “imported” back using similar way as RB80 does? What would be the price for certification? I guess it would be so much... .

***caveseeker7*** · 29th June 2007, 05:55

Frank, it depends where the units are purchased. If you fly to the US (or any place outside the EC), purchase and train on the unit (and you likely will have to as there are only 2 instructors, both in the US), you can bring the unit back to your EC location. Other units, like Kiss or Meg, get shipped from the manufacturer directly to the customer, no problem there (yet), either. Training is usually available in the EC or close locations (Switzerland, Red Sea etc)

The main problems are that units (maybe even parts) without CE can't be sold within CE boundaries and can't be used professionally (i.e. at work, including instruction) AFAIK.

OceanOpportunity · 29th June 2007, 12:01

What is the 'Halcyon rumor'?

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Anyway, the Halcyon rumor may well be the reason why none of the pSCRs
have been officially offered in the US.

***caveseeker7*** · 29th June 2007, 12:25

See post #10

OceanOpportunity · 29th June 2007, 12:33

ahhh yes...I recall hearing an issue regarding international patent rights, etc.

regardless, I'm finding it incredibly difficult to source a PASCR (any unit). Many of the units are produced in Europe, with websites in non-English (excuse my American ignorance). The developers don't respond to e-mails. If there is a used but good condition unit out there, I'd be interested! especially an EDO-4!!

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

See post #10

28th June 2007, 05:26	#11 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,451	Re: RON - Feedback Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherNut) I am aware that Switzerland is not part of the EU. Hence, I am Swiss. I won't hold that against you, I hear the holes are only in the cheese. Anyway, the Halcyon rumor may well be the reason why none of the pSCRs have been officially offered in the US. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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28th June 2007, 08:31	#12 (permalink)
db8us Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 227	Re: RON - Feedback I guess also that the market for these kind of breathers is fairly small. In my opinion there is almost no businesscase justifying the whole thing from R&D, training, warranty, documentation. It might also be that the market is just saturated now. Most diver do not NEED a rebreather for diving since their dives could be easily done on a 80cuft tank. Those wo like the technology (and i understand and accept that reason for others) are more likely buying ECCR's. But this is again my personal thinking only. Michael
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28th June 2007, 13:33	#13 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 996	Re: RON - Feedback Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) I guess also that the market for these kind of breathers is fairly small. In my opinion there is almost no businesscase justifying the whole thing from R&D, training, warranty, documentation. It might also be that the market is just saturated now. Most diver do not NEED a rebreather for diving since their dives could be easily done on a 80cuft tank. Those wo like the technology (and i understand and accept that reason for others) are more likely buying ECCR's. But this is again my personal thinking only. Michael With the CE issues on top of the ones you list, this must be a very difficult market in Europe. I can well understand that manufacturers will drop out. It's a shame - competition is good. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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28th June 2007, 15:39	#14 (permalink)
Freef Custom Title Disallowed! Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Land of the Freef, UK. Posts: 1,353	Re: RON - Feedback CE maeks are required for supply of equipment TO a buyer the EU. If items are supplied outside the EU then the mark isn't required. As for an RMV keyed SCR, I think it is a good idea, it's difficult to find info out about them on google [I'm interested in the design and operation]. CMF designs are good enough-and I own one-but I use mine as a gas extenton tool, and the RB80/EDO etc give even better duration. Shame they look like a fridge on your back though. __________________ David. Currently owner of two differently sized ankles.
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28th June 2007, 16:13	#15 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 544	Re: RON - Feedback are the EDO's available? I've tried to contact them via e-mail, and no response. I'd love to get my hands on one of these, a RON, or similar. __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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28th June 2007, 21:45	#16 (permalink)
FrankG New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Slovakia Posts: 8	Re: RON - Feedback Thank you for letting me know. Anyway I know at least 4 guys that would be interested in having such unit. RB80 is "imported" without being certified. Just correct me if I'm wrong. So could be that RON is manufactured outside of EU and “imported” back using similar way as RB80 does? What would be the price for certification? I guess it would be so much... .
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29th June 2007, 05:55	#17 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,451	Re: RON - Feedback Frank, it depends where the units are purchased. If you fly to the US (or any place outside the EC), purchase and train on the unit (and you likely will have to as there are only 2 instructors, both in the US), you can bring the unit back to your EC location. Other units, like Kiss or Meg, get shipped from the manufacturer directly to the customer, no problem there (yet), either. Training is usually available in the EC or close locations (Switzerland, Red Sea etc) The main problems are that units (maybe even parts) without CE can't be sold within CE boundaries and can't be used professionally (i.e. at work, including instruction) AFAIK. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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29th June 2007, 12:01	#18 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 544	Re: RON - Feedback What is the 'Halcyon rumor'? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Anyway, the Halcyon rumor may well be the reason why none of the pSCRs have been officially offered in the US. __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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29th June 2007, 12:25	#19 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,451	See post #10 __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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29th June 2007, 12:33	#20 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 544	Re: RON - Feedback ahhh yes...I recall hearing an issue regarding international patent rights, etc. regardless, I'm finding it incredibly difficult to source a PASCR (any unit). Many of the units are produced in Europe, with websites in non-English (excuse my American ignorance). The developers don't respond to e-mails. If there is a used but good condition unit out there, I'd be interested! especially an EDO-4!! Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) See post #10 __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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