expired sorb

winternomore · 25th November 2006, 07:43

just wondering about using expired scrubber. i have inherited a lot of it when i bought a dive shop, some is sealed and some is not. i'm in the tropics, and the room it was stored in gets very hot. what do ya think, all good or death in a can?

cheers chris

oh, it's dreger, and expired in 2003......

***sadave*** · 25th November 2006, 11:19

3 years expired, stored in Pt Douglas (the tropics, btw, I'll be in CNS mon-wed, might even drop into the shop!), I'd be staying riiiight away from it...

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/intro...html#post76871 Is a post by the distributor of Sofnolime, about expired sorb.

Seriously mate, its definately not worth the risk, ESPECIALLY with the stuff that's already opened...

Good luck with the shop.

Deepthought_reloaded · 25th November 2006, 14:59

Few thoughts

I got some new sofnalime and it has 5 years to expiry date

If yours is '03 means could have been made in '98....

This stuff works with heat + moisture + CO2, Well you said you got the heat, most diving enterprises generally require some sort of proximity to water so humidity is there - question gotta be how much CO2 could have leaked in there over 8 years...

What do you mean by 'A LOT' - Pallet loads?

If the quantity is sufficient it may be possible to send it back to the manufacturer / supplier / distributer for checking/reprocessing (local environmental regs may be on your side?)

Alternatively, you may be able to get chemical analysis done on a sample from each unopened drum to prove it is still viable but frankly I think what you got there is something to be written off as a tax loss...

May seem generous to give it away but that would probably screw up the local market...

You got to start thinking commercially - even if you only used the old stuff for pool training there is a risk of getting it mixed up with the 'in-date' stuff - somebody has an accident there's going to be all sorts of cr@p happening and some smart-alec lawyer will be suggesting that a mix up occured and even if not you were reckless for using expired 'sorb for pool training so probably negligent in other areas... nightmare

Go through the old books and see if you can find the original invoices,
work out how much has been used and see if the quantity of sales justifes any savings by ordering in the sort of bulk the previous owners clearly did - I suspect it wont in which case you can avoid making a similar stock control cock-up, remember also that the expiry date is not when you got to sell it by - the customer expects a fair amount of time before it expires too!

***jradomski*** · 25th November 2006, 15:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deepthought_reloaded)

Few thoughts

I got some new sofnalime and it has 5 years to expiry date

If yours is '03 means could have been made in '98....

This stuff works with heat + moisture + CO2, Well you said you got the heat, most diving enterprises generally require some sort of proximity to water so humidity is there - question gotta be how much CO2 could have leaked in there over 8 years...

What do you mean by 'A LOT' - Pallet loads?

If the quantity is sufficient it may be possible to send it back to the manufacturer / supplier / distributer for checking/reprocessing (local environmental regs may be on your side?)

Alternatively, you may be able to get chemical analysis done on a sample from each unopened drum to prove it is still viable but frankly I think what you got there is something to be written off as a tax loss...

May seem generous to give it away but that would probably screw up the local market...

You got to start thinking commercially - even if you only used the old stuff for pool training there is a risk of getting it mixed up with the 'in-date' stuff - somebody has an accident there's going to be all sorts of cr@p happening and some smart-alec lawyer will be suggesting that a mix up occured and even if not you were reckless for using expired 'sorb for pool training so probably negligent in other areas... nightmare

Go through the old books and see if you can find the original invoices,
work out how much has been used and see if the quantity of sales justifes any savings by ordering in the sort of bulk the previous owners clearly did - I suspect it wont in which case you can avoid making a similar stock control cock-up, remember also that the expiry date is not when you got to sell it by - the customer expects a fair amount of time before it expires too!

different manufactures put different expiry times.. Grace used to use 1.5 years from date of manufacture.. I am told it is now 2 years.. Quite a difference between Molecular Products and Drager...

dive2dive2000 · 25th November 2006, 18:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

different manufactures put different expiry times.. Grace used to use 1.5 years from date of manufacture.. I am told it is now 2 years.. Quite a difference between Molecular Products and Drager...

I had called Grace and asked them why they keep bouncing back from 1 yr exp to 2yrs exp, and was told "The expiration date is controlled by the Government (forgot which agency) and has nothing to do with the true life of soda; it has to do with how much of a buffer the government feels like implementing".

bendomatic · 25th November 2006, 20:19

throw it away or get the supplier to take it back. don't even give it away. You've got a diveshop in qld now, if anyone has a problem because of the sorb you supplied, it just isn't worth the hassle and disruption to your life to have to deal with a QLD workplace health and safety investigation. trust me on that one. get very familiar with the regulations that apply here in qld both for recreational and technical diving. these regulations are enshrined in the qld workplace health and safety act, ie they are legally binding. if you don't know what the regulations are, Jason and Damon Blackwell are the people to talk to on this board.

question: is this diveshop going to be technically oriented for FNQ? that would be a nice addition.

denzel · 26th November 2006, 06:31

Rach,

I think he bought himself (into) the techdive academy. So not really an addition for QLD since it already existed. The biggest problem being it's so far up that it's impossible to find full tech operators, since FNQ is the realm of the intro diver. When I did some courses with them, bedankt Ron!, They dealt with a charter company that would drop them out the outer edge if they wanted deep, but that's about as far as it went.
I did my O2 tech, blender and Dolphin course there about 3 years ago, and if the level of teaching and customer service still is what it was, then I can't recommend it high enuff.

Denz.

Sponge-Bob · 18th December 2006, 17:05

Hi,
As a consumer, I'm using Sorb 4 years out of date from sealed, un-opened buckets. This stuff never really expires as long as it is stored properly.

If it was brand new and left open it would be stuffed overnight! So time is irrelevant.

Storage is the key here!

In your possition I would bin the opened, part used cans and use the sealed sorb myself.

As far as running a business goes, play it by the book. All your paperwork and working practices need to be spot on! Don't even think of giving it away, the liability would be horrendous. Don't sell or use anything out of date for customers. Not even a Band Aid!

25th November 2006, 07:43	#1 (permalink)
winternomore New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: port douglas australia Posts: 1	expired sorb just wondering about using expired scrubber. i have inherited a lot of it when i bought a dive shop, some is sealed and some is not. i'm in the tropics, and the room it was stored in gets very hot. what do ya think, all good or death in a can? cheers chris oh, it's dreger, and expired in 2003......
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25th November 2006, 11:19	#2 (permalink)
*sadave* Waiting... Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland Posts: 1,041	Re: expired sorb 3 years expired, stored in Pt Douglas (the tropics, btw, I'll be in CNS mon-wed, might even drop into the shop!), I'd be staying riiiight away from it... http://www.rebreatherworld.com/intro...html#post76871 Is a post by the distributor of Sofnolime, about expired sorb. Seriously mate, its definately not worth the risk, ESPECIALLY with the stuff that's already opened... Good luck with the shop. __________________ Wave!
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25th November 2006, 14:59	#3 (permalink)
Deepthought_reloaded New Member Current Rebreather/s: Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: York Posts: 59	Re: expired sorb Few thoughts I got some new sofnalime and it has 5 years to expiry date If yours is '03 means could have been made in '98.... This stuff works with heat + moisture + CO2, Well you said you got the heat, most diving enterprises generally require some sort of proximity to water so humidity is there - question gotta be how much CO2 could have leaked in there over 8 years... What do you mean by 'A LOT' - Pallet loads? If the quantity is sufficient it may be possible to send it back to the manufacturer / supplier / distributer for checking/reprocessing (local environmental regs may be on your side?) Alternatively, you may be able to get chemical analysis done on a sample from each unopened drum to prove it is still viable but frankly I think what you got there is something to be written off as a tax loss... May seem generous to give it away but that would probably screw up the local market... You got to start thinking commercially - even if you only used the old stuff for pool training there is a risk of getting it mixed up with the 'in-date' stuff - somebody has an accident there's going to be all sorts of cr@p happening and some smart-alec lawyer will be suggesting that a mix up occured and even if not you were reckless for using expired 'sorb for pool training so probably negligent in other areas... nightmare Go through the old books and see if you can find the original invoices, work out how much has been used and see if the quantity of sales justifes any savings by ordering in the sort of bulk the previous owners clearly did - I suspect it wont in which case you can avoid making a similar stock control cock-up, remember also that the expiry date is not when you got to sell it by - the customer expects a fair amount of time before it expires too!
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25th November 2006, 15:25	#4 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,011	Re: expired sorb Quote: (Originally Posted by Deepthought_reloaded) Few thoughts I got some new sofnalime and it has 5 years to expiry date If yours is '03 means could have been made in '98.... This stuff works with heat + moisture + CO2, Well you said you got the heat, most diving enterprises generally require some sort of proximity to water so humidity is there - question gotta be how much CO2 could have leaked in there over 8 years... What do you mean by 'A LOT' - Pallet loads? If the quantity is sufficient it may be possible to send it back to the manufacturer / supplier / distributer for checking/reprocessing (local environmental regs may be on your side?) Alternatively, you may be able to get chemical analysis done on a sample from each unopened drum to prove it is still viable but frankly I think what you got there is something to be written off as a tax loss... May seem generous to give it away but that would probably screw up the local market... You got to start thinking commercially - even if you only used the old stuff for pool training there is a risk of getting it mixed up with the 'in-date' stuff - somebody has an accident there's going to be all sorts of cr@p happening and some smart-alec lawyer will be suggesting that a mix up occured and even if not you were reckless for using expired 'sorb for pool training so probably negligent in other areas... nightmare Go through the old books and see if you can find the original invoices, work out how much has been used and see if the quantity of sales justifes any savings by ordering in the sort of bulk the previous owners clearly did - I suspect it wont in which case you can avoid making a similar stock control cock-up, remember also that the expiry date is not when you got to sell it by - the customer expects a fair amount of time before it expires too! different manufactures put different expiry times.. Grace used to use 1.5 years from date of manufacture.. I am told it is now 2 years.. Quite a difference between Molecular Products and Drager... __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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25th November 2006, 18:42	#5 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 788	Re: expired sorb Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) different manufactures put different expiry times.. Grace used to use 1.5 years from date of manufacture.. I am told it is now 2 years.. Quite a difference between Molecular Products and Drager... I had called Grace and asked them why they keep bouncing back from 1 yr exp to 2yrs exp, and was told "The expiration date is controlled by the Government (forgot which agency) and has nothing to do with the true life of soda; it has to do with how much of a buffer the government feels like implementing". __________________ Safe Diving, Martin
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25th November 2006, 20:19	#6 (permalink)
bendomatic Morgan's Mum Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 205	Re: expired sorb throw it away or get the supplier to take it back. don't even give it away. You've got a diveshop in qld now, if anyone has a problem because of the sorb you supplied, it just isn't worth the hassle and disruption to your life to have to deal with a QLD workplace health and safety investigation. trust me on that one. get very familiar with the regulations that apply here in qld both for recreational and technical diving. these regulations are enshrined in the qld workplace health and safety act, ie they are legally binding. if you don't know what the regulations are, Jason and Damon Blackwell are the people to talk to on this board. question: is this diveshop going to be technically oriented for FNQ? that would be a nice addition. __________________ why deal with idiots on the net when you have to spend all day dealing with them at work. Last edited by bendomatic : 25th November 2006 at 20:43. Reason: grammar
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26th November 2006, 06:31	#7 (permalink)
denzel Holiday diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perth! Posts: 358	Re: expired sorb Rach, I think he bought himself (into) the techdive academy. So not really an addition for QLD since it already existed. The biggest problem being it's so far up that it's impossible to find full tech operators, since FNQ is the realm of the intro diver. When I did some courses with them, bedankt Ron!, They dealt with a charter company that would drop them out the outer edge if they wanted deep, but that's about as far as it went. I did my O2 tech, blender and Dolphin course there about 3 years ago, and if the level of teaching and customer service still is what it was, then I can't recommend it high enuff. Denz. __________________ My deepest so far, 558.50 mtr, my rig a LF90D...
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18th December 2006, 17:05	#8 (permalink)
Sponge-Bob New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 29	Re: expired sorb Hi, As a consumer, I'm using Sorb 4 years out of date from sealed, un-opened buckets. This stuff never really expires as long as it is stored properly. If it was brand new and left open it would be stuffed overnight! So time is irrelevant. Storage is the key here! In your possition I would bin the opened, part used cans and use the sealed sorb myself. As far as running a business goes, play it by the book. All your paperwork and working practices need to be spot on! Don't even think of giving it away, the liability would be horrendous. Don't sell or use anything out of date for customers. Not even a Band Aid! __________________ If you want a Guarantee.....Buy a toaster!
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