add button

DeepB · 1st January 2010, 18:05

Hi,

i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button.

what was the intention for putting it where it is?

and how can you reach it with multiple stages?

how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance?

regards

DeepB

paulraymaekers · 1st January 2010, 18:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB)

Hi,

i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button.

what was the intention for putting it where it is?

and how can you reach it with multiple stages?

how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance?

regards

DeepB

reason for the location: the least possible clutter in front of you, and you always know exactly where they are

yes, I do it with 2 stages 80cft each side

and if you don't like it, there is a kit that allows front injection, of O2, Dil and offboard gas... but my advise: first try it before changing anything to the rig

colinicky · 1st January 2010, 21:14

Would agree with Paul . I have had my rEvo II since June & I am surprised at how easilly I have reached the manual add buttons with stages on although I will admit I found the O2 easier than the Dil for some reason .

Mark Chase · 1st January 2010, 22:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB)

Hi,

i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button.

what was the intention for putting it where it is?

and how can you reach it with multiple stages?

how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance?

regards

DeepB

It took me about 20mins to fit a KISS manual add for 02. Two hoses one KISS valve with the orifice blocked and about £160

rEvos own manual add is the old inspo button which is a bit clunky in operation. the KISS button worked well. I really like the JJ manual add button as well it makes for quick and easy off board gas connection. It should be worth a look.

ATB

Mark

Loanwolf · 2nd January 2010, 05:16

I have Curts gas block and love it.

JasonF · 2nd January 2010, 14:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB)

Hi,

i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button.

what was the intention for putting it where it is?

Hi DeepB,

The location of the clippard valves does keep the hose routing very streamlined!

The supply lines to the clippard valves are 11" miflex hoses with disconnect (standard BC connection). This allows you to quickly and easily check the Intermediate pressure of the first stages if and when yo need to.

It also allows for side mounting all of your onboard gas if you do not have access to standard size rebreather bottles. All you have to do is pack longer BC Inflator hoses, some sidemount rigging accessories if you dont have that already, cut the zip ties off of the High Pressure hoses so you can bring the first stages up to your sidemount bottles and your set

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB)

and how can you reach it with multiple stages?

2 80's on each side, no problem. You can even get to the buttons while scootering.

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB)

how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance?

Like the other posters have stated, you can easily add a KISS style valve or one of Curt's 3 gas MAV blocks

Hope you find this info helpful.

Cheers

JimC · 2nd January 2010, 23:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB)

Hi,

i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button.

what was the intention for putting it where it is?

and how can you reach it with multiple stages?

how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance?

regards

DeepB

The location of the rear add buttons works fine for me as is except when scootering. For this, I use Pauls optional O2 add button and mount it on my right chest strap above the D ring. The button is fixed and easy to quickly locate and press with my left hand while keeping my right hand on the scooter. Other options that hang down over shoulder can get hung up under stages etc and take a bit longer to locate. This was the case with the O2 add button on my Kiss. This option also allows you to connect external dil if necessary.

Marc T · 3rd January 2010, 08:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB)

Hi,

i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button.

what was the intention for putting it where it is?

and how can you reach it with multiple stages?

how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance?

regards

DeepB

Thats the only thing I dont like on the rEVO.
Cons are:
-impossible to stop immediatly the O2 flow
-difficult to reach when scootering ( for me )
-impossible to share the O2 flow between main and bailout breather.
possibility for the system to be damaged / blocked if sitting on a silky ground.
Pro:
- neat!!
-free chest

Thats the reason I went for an old model ( was not such a shame do dismantel it ) and put and hydrogom valve feeded by a 16 bar reg, work fine.

If / when Ill come to rEvo III CE will have a look at the Tecme add button

Part T0305

http://www.tecme.de/bilder/T0305.jpg

Regards

Marc

colinicky · 3rd January 2010, 10:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T)

Thats the only thing I dont like on the rEVO.
Cons are:
-impossible to stop immediatly the O2 flow
-difficult to reach when scootering ( for me )
Marc

Marc
Genuine question , surely the quickest & easiest way "to stop immediatly the O2 flow " is to turn of the tank valve on any rebreather ?

From what I have learnt about scootering ( don't own one yet ) surely it depends on which hand you use for scootering ? If you scooter with your left you have your right hand free for the O2 or am I missing something ?

Marc T · 3rd January 2010, 11:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky)

Marc
Genuine question , surely the quickest & easiest way "to stop immediatly the O2 flow " is to turn of the tank valve on any rebreather ?

From what I have learnt about scootering ( don't own one yet ) surely it depends on which hand you use for scootering ? If you scooter with your left you have your right hand free for the O2 or am I missing something ?

But no, absolutely no...If you turn off the tank it will of course continue to flow till the first stage chamber is quite empty so at least on minute which is way too long when you are "spiking", the stop flow must of course be downstream regarding the hydrogom or kiss valve or wathever orifice to act instantly.

About scootering effectively the right hand is most of the time for scootering and the left is "in front of you" ready for ear eaqualisation dry suit inflation wing inflation reading computer and/or compass and I personnaly HATE to have it searching something between my back and my ass at the additional risk of being trangled there few seconds.
Also I found confortable on long scootering to change the scootering hand to relax the other one and in that case I like to be able to drive the rebreather with the other hand even if in fact I dont ( change my hand again ).

Regards

Marc

1st January 2010, 18:05	#1 (permalink)
DeepB RBW Member KISS Classic Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 46	add button Hi, i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button. what was the intention for putting it where it is? and how can you reach it with multiple stages? how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance? regards DeepB
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1st January 2010, 18:34	#2 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 3,641	Re: add button Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB) Hi, i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button. what was the intention for putting it where it is? and how can you reach it with multiple stages? how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance? regards DeepB reason for the location: the least possible clutter in front of you, and you always know exactly where they are yes, I do it with 2 stages 80cft each side and if you don't like it, there is a kit that allows front injection, of O2, Dil and offboard gas... but my advise: first try it before changing anything to the rig __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com ...."Yes you have to pre-breathe to activate the scrubber sorb, anyone who says different doesn't know what they are talking about!"... .... to get more accurate CO2 injection in the breathing machine we put 2 mass flow controllers in series ... .... radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials... .... the earth is flat and ...
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1st January 2010, 21:14	#3 (permalink)
colinicky RBW Member rEvo II Hybrid Mini Titanium Inspiration Vision Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 1,178	Re: add button Would agree with Paul . I have had my rEvo II since June & I am surprised at how easilly I have reached the manual add buttons with stages on although I will admit I found the O2 easier than the Dil for some reason .
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1st January 2010, 22:01	#4 (permalink)
Mark Chase So many CCR So little etc JJ Hybrid Inspo, Hammer Head, KISS rEvo Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 4,534	Re: add button Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB) Hi, i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button. what was the intention for putting it where it is? and how can you reach it with multiple stages? how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance? regards DeepB It took me about 20mins to fit a KISS manual add for 02. Two hoses one KISS valve with the orifice blocked and about £160 rEvos own manual add is the old inspo button which is a bit clunky in operation. the KISS button worked well. I really like the JJ manual add button as well it makes for quick and easy off board gas connection. It should be worth a look. ATB Mark
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2nd January 2010, 05:16	#5 (permalink)
Loanwolf Dive Deep and Dive Long rEvo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 709	Re: add button I have Curts gas block and love it.
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2nd January 2010, 14:06	#6 (permalink)
JasonF RBW Member rEvo III Hyb Min, rEvo II STD CK, SK, CCR 2000, Dolphin, Ray Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NORTHEAST USA Posts: 379	Re: add button Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB) Hi, i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button. what was the intention for putting it where it is? Hi DeepB, The location of the clippard valves does keep the hose routing very streamlined! The supply lines to the clippard valves are 11" miflex hoses with disconnect (standard BC connection). This allows you to quickly and easily check the Intermediate pressure of the first stages if and when yo need to. It also allows for side mounting all of your onboard gas if you do not have access to standard size rebreather bottles. All you have to do is pack longer BC Inflator hoses, some sidemount rigging accessories if you dont have that already, cut the zip ties off of the High Pressure hoses so you can bring the first stages up to your sidemount bottles and your set Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB) and how can you reach it with multiple stages? 2 80's on each side, no problem. You can even get to the buttons while scootering. Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB) how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance? Like the other posters have stated, you can easily add a KISS style valve or one of Curt's 3 gas MAV blocks Hope you find this info helpful. Cheers
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2nd January 2010, 23:37	#7 (permalink)
JimC New Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cape Ann, MA USA Posts: 86	Re: add button Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB) Hi, i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button. what was the intention for putting it where it is? and how can you reach it with multiple stages? how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance? regards DeepB The location of the rear add buttons works fine for me as is except when scootering. For this, I use Pauls optional O2 add button and mount it on my right chest strap above the D ring. The button is fixed and easy to quickly locate and press with my left hand while keeping my right hand on the scooter. Other options that hang down over shoulder can get hung up under stages etc and take a bit longer to locate. This was the case with the O2 add button on my Kiss. This option also allows you to connect external dil if necessary.
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3rd January 2010, 08:14	#8 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details JOKI/rEVO/HOME MADE EDO04 Ray Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 817	Re: add button Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepB) Hi, i am considering a revo, and i have some questions about the o2/dil add button. what was the intention for putting it where it is? and how can you reach it with multiple stages? how easily can you change it to a add button like the KISS one for instance? regards DeepB Thats the only thing I dont like on the rEVO. Cons are: -impossible to stop immediatly the O2 flow -difficult to reach when scootering ( for me ) -impossible to share the O2 flow between main and bailout breather. possibility for the system to be damaged / blocked if sitting on a silky ground. Pro: - neat!! -free chest Thats the reason I went for an old model ( was not such a shame do dismantel it ) and put and hydrogom valve feeded by a 16 bar reg, work fine. If / when Ill come to rEvo III CE will have a look at the Tecme add button Part T0305 http://www.tecme.de/bilder/T0305.jpg Regards Marc
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3rd January 2010, 10:43	#9 (permalink)
colinicky RBW Member rEvo II Hybrid Mini Titanium Inspiration Vision Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 1,178	Re: add button Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T) Thats the only thing I dont like on the rEVO. Cons are: -impossible to stop immediatly the O2 flow -difficult to reach when scootering ( for me ) Marc Marc Genuine question , surely the quickest & easiest way "to stop immediatly the O2 flow " is to turn of the tank valve on any rebreather ? From what I have learnt about scootering ( don't own one yet ) surely it depends on which hand you use for scootering ? If you scooter with your left you have your right hand free for the O2 or am I missing something ?
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3rd January 2010, 11:35	#10 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details JOKI/rEVO/HOME MADE EDO04 Ray Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 817	Re: add button Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky) Marc Genuine question , surely the quickest & easiest way "to stop immediatly the O2 flow " is to turn of the tank valve on any rebreather ? From what I have learnt about scootering ( don't own one yet ) surely it depends on which hand you use for scootering ? If you scooter with your left you have your right hand free for the O2 or am I missing something ? But no, absolutely no...If you turn off the tank it will of course continue to flow till the first stage chamber is quite empty so at least on minute which is way too long when you are "spiking", the stop flow must of course be downstream regarding the hydrogom or kiss valve or wathever orifice to act instantly. About scootering effectively the right hand is most of the time for scootering and the left is "in front of you" ready for ear eaqualisation dry suit inflation wing inflation reading computer and/or compass and I personnaly HATE to have it searching something between my back and my ass at the additional risk of being trangled there few seconds. Also I found confortable on long scootering to change the scootering hand to relax the other one and in that case I like to be able to drive the rebreather with the other hand even if in fact I dont ( change my hand again ). Regards Marc
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