rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions

***Decodiver*** · 24th April 2007, 14:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

I may be dragging u psome old arguments here but how does the Submatix mCCR pass the CE certification?

I think they shat in a bucket, put it in a blender and fed it to everyone as a smoothie..........

Only joking.....

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Woz · 24th April 2007, 14:36

Blimey. Apologies to all involved in the rEvo. have just caught up with the Submatix fiasco. CE marking it to the machinery directive? You're having a laugh, aren't you? That's ridiculous. My mum can certify stuff to the machinery directive. It's not a machine, it's a piece of life support kit.

TR300 · 24th April 2007, 19:46

hmm,
I now reading near every post about CE and Rebreather.
I also live in the CE area and yes I build also some rebreathers for me and others (if they like them).

I know also all the rebreather are build outside the EU and they don't have also any CE testing and working well.

What is soooo magic with the CE/EN marking ? Does the diver has a save feeling with it ? Does the diver never dies with a CE/EN marking on his rig ? I am not shure

I know also that the law wants the certification but for what ? Is a CE/EN mark safer. I think, when the system works (is thight and the diver is trained and know what he/she has todo) then every system is save like expected.

So therefore in my opinion what is a CE/EN marking better then no except for selling it in the EU

By the way we had here 1.Stage regulators from a well know manufactor who had CE/EN marking and "blown" away underwater

and yes I will build some more rigs, but only for me and very good friends or for "outside" the EU

just my 2 cent

Holger

Woz · 24th April 2007, 20:03

It doesn't affect homebuilds or stuff supplied from outside the EU. But if you flog a rebreather in the EU then it has to conform to the EU directives on PPE, especially if you are "at work" (take a note KISS and rEvo instructors there).

Just like if you sell teddy bears in the EU they have to be tested to make sure they are safe and aren't stuffed with nails and broken glass.

TR300 · 24th April 2007, 20:15

Hi Woz,

yes you are right, but have you seen some parts from China or India who has CE marks ? I am not shure these parts have ever seen a certification

the user manual is unreadable and it works just a few times and then not longer

they copies the CE sign better than the EU can print them

just a joke

Holger

paulraymaekers · 24th April 2007, 20:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

(take a note KISS and rEvo instructors there).

well I think our instructors are aware... :-)

you can legally train people on non-CE units, only the instructor himself must use a CE-certified rig when he trains!

paul

***Decodiver*** · 24th April 2007, 22:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

But if you flog a rebreather in the EU then it has to conform to the EU directives on PPE, especially if you are "at work" (take a note KISS and rEvo instructors there).

We know don't worry, that is why you will see me wearing my Ouroboros when I teach Meg, KISS or rEvo, unless I am in Switzerland where I wear the same model unit as the student.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Johnny Christensen · 25th April 2007, 05:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

We know don't worry, that is why you will see me wearing my Ouroboros when I teach Meg, KISS or rEvo, unless I am in Switzerland where I wear the same model unit as the student.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

And that's a shame that you have to bypass rules in that way. From a instructional standpoint, it's better when the instructor is clearly able to deomnstrate skills, trim and overall handling in the unit the students are training for.

This CE Bullsh!t is a step backwards.

fredrik · 25th April 2007, 08:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

I know jetsam and AP will not sell spares to a non certified user..

When you buy a Kiss the MAV will be delivered to a instructor.

It is possible to buy a MAV without a course.

decoweenie · 25th April 2007, 08:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by fredrik)

When you buy a Kiss the MAV will be delivered to a instructor.

It is possible to buy a MAV without a course.

What are you trying to say ?

24th April 2007, 14:32	#41 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,197	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) I may be dragging u psome old arguments here but how does the Submatix mCCR pass the CE certification? I think they shat in a bucket, put it in a blender and fed it to everyone as a smoothie.......... Only joking..... Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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24th April 2007, 14:36	#42 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 185	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Blimey. Apologies to all involved in the rEvo. have just caught up with the Submatix fiasco. CE marking it to the machinery directive? You're having a laugh, aren't you? That's ridiculous. My mum can certify stuff to the machinery directive. It's not a machine, it's a piece of life support kit. __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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24th April 2007, 19:46	#43 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 208	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions hmm, I now reading near every post about CE and Rebreather. I also live in the CE area and yes I build also some rebreathers for me and others (if they like them). I know also all the rebreather are build outside the EU and they don't have also any CE testing and working well. What is soooo magic with the CE/EN marking ? Does the diver has a save feeling with it ? Does the diver never dies with a CE/EN marking on his rig ? I am not shure I know also that the law wants the certification but for what ? Is a CE/EN mark safer. I think, when the system works (is thight and the diver is trained and know what he/she has todo) then every system is save like expected. So therefore in my opinion what is a CE/EN marking better then no except for selling it in the EU By the way we had here 1.Stage regulators from a well know manufactor who had CE/EN marking and "blown" away underwater and yes I will build some more rigs, but only for me and very good friends or for "outside" the EU just my 2 cent Holger __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de
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24th April 2007, 20:03	#44 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 185	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions It doesn't affect homebuilds or stuff supplied from outside the EU. But if you flog a rebreather in the EU then it has to conform to the EU directives on PPE, especially if you are "at work" (take a note KISS and rEvo instructors there). Just like if you sell teddy bears in the EU they have to be tested to make sure they are safe and aren't stuffed with nails and broken glass. __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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24th April 2007, 20:15	#45 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 208	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Hi Woz, yes you are right, but have you seen some parts from China or India who has CE marks ? I am not shure these parts have ever seen a certification the user manual is unreadable and it works just a few times and then not longer they copies the CE sign better than the EU can print them just a joke Holger __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de
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24th April 2007, 20:24	#46 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,498	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) (take a note KISS and rEvo instructors there). well I think our instructors are aware... :-) you can legally train people on non-CE units, only the instructor himself must use a CE-certified rig when he trains! paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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24th April 2007, 22:02	#47 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,197	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) But if you flog a rebreather in the EU then it has to conform to the EU directives on PPE, especially if you are "at work" (take a note KISS and rEvo instructors there). We know don't worry, that is why you will see me wearing my Ouroboros when I teach Meg, KISS or rEvo, unless I am in Switzerland where I wear the same model unit as the student. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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25th April 2007, 05:57	#48 (permalink)
Johnny Christensen Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 304	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) We know don't worry, that is why you will see me wearing my Ouroboros when I teach Meg, KISS or rEvo, unless I am in Switzerland where I wear the same model unit as the student. Cheers, Dave Cooper. And that's a shame that you have to bypass rules in that way. From a instructional standpoint, it's better when the instructor is clearly able to deomnstrate skills, trim and overall handling in the unit the students are training for. This CE Bullsh!t is a step backwards. __________________ www.johnnychristensen.com Wreckphotography from the cold north
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25th April 2007, 08:14	#49 (permalink)
fredrik Rekodeko. Sweden Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 193	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) I know jetsam and AP will not sell spares to a non certified user.. When you buy a Kiss the MAV will be delivered to a instructor. It is possible to buy a MAV without a course. __________________ Fredrik Rekodeko, Sweden http://www.rekodeko.se
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: rEvo II Sales/Resales conditions Quote: (Originally Posted by fredrik) When you buy a Kiss the MAV will be delivered to a instructor. It is possible to buy a MAV without a course. What are you trying to say ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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