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I am not really interested about CE marking myself. I don't even agree with all the crap they are trying to pass as legistlations like different thread for Nitrox (lol).

I am bit worried about this trend of two faced conduct in this industry though meaning they require training AND waiver to pass all responsibility. I don't see any justification with that.

It should be said though, that I am not on crusade against training here (although I am bit on a crusade of current C card system/Agency conduct). Training is good.

It just looks like every manufacturer is going to the route of writing these 20 page documents saying what you can and what you can't do and forcing you to write your name on it + waiver releasing them from any responsibility if you wan't to buy one and that is kinda sad :/

From legistlation point of view, I doubt it is required to demand certfication from second hand buyer to get spares. I can buy a car without drivers license and be a sole owner. I can even get it serviced and buy spare parts. I am just not allowed to drive it (on public road).

For me, it would be just simpler to buy unit, get to know the mechanical side/feel of it and then book for a course at convenient time where we would go through things. I also like to buy training manuals for unit before going to the course (and have bought those for my other choice (Sport KISS)).

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Decodiver

Duncan next time I am in the UK will be more than happy to let you have a spin.

Cheers,

Dave.

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onetime

Yeah that doesn't seem to be quite accurate as Gordon sold units to people that weren't officially trained. I became a KISS diver on the cusp of the no training/training decision and could have gone either way. I opted to get some training but it was my personal choice at the time. He was ready to ship the unit directly to me but I instead had it shipped to my eventual instructor.

caveseeker7

Nice going, Dave, just when I was about to post "get trained, get a rig and get the experience you'll need to dive it, and maybe others, safely".

Woz, the two mCCR that have been CE certified have been so by a rather questionable outfit.
If the manufacturers were aware of it or not remains unclear, either way it casts a bad shadow on them.
In no place outside Italy has any mCCR passed CE. If you look at the various threads regarding CE you'll see that there are almost as many opinions and interpretations of the standard as there are words contained.

Paul is perfectly aboveboard about routing his units through Switzerland, and why it's done (and IMHO needs to be done). He could just as well go the other route, selling his unit outside the EC only. Doesn't sound like a good option for many of us. As has been said before, give Paul a break.

Having said that, the single most important test done on any Rebreather is scrubber duration.
And that is one test I would like to see done on any rebreather that is sold, and it might as well be done to CE standard. We know it, we can compare it, as can the manufacturer. And from what I've been told it can still be submitted at a later point for certification purposes if that option becomes available.

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MattW

Ah, my mistake - thanks Dave - that's good to know.

cheers

Matt

esc

Going bit offtopic but I could have bought Sport KISS last year from Jetsam and they would had sent it for me without KISS valve (which would be sent to my instructor when I would say who it is or sent for me after I produce a C card for it).

Now, it is not THAT hard to get KISS valve as separate component afterwards and make that complete unit without the card.

Like I have stated many times though, I do plan to get training for my first CCR. Just hope the buying would be less complicated...

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onetime

Well, I think that could be said for all units. Every customer of any product wants smooth and easy transactions. Of course, being a niche market with lots of liability fear complicated is the norm.

Nad

Absolutly agree.

Nad

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Woz

I may be dragging u psome old arguments here but how does the Submatix mCCR pass the CE certification?

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caveseeker7

It's been discussed, the guy who actually issued the certification came on defending it.

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