rEvo for a UK newbie?

Grahjam · 17th April 2007, 15:54

Matt

So whats the decision????

BR

Grahjam

MattW · 17th April 2007, 16:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Grahjam)

Matt

So whats the decision????

BR

Grahjam

rEvo when I can raise the cash (don't hold yer breath!)

Matt

MattW · 17th April 2007, 16:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

I'm not sure you should bank on that until one of the BSAC Rebreather Working Group has bought one. A key criterion for permitting units to be dived on BSAC dives 'was' that they are CE rated. Once someone on the Working Group had a KISS, that criterion no longer seemed to apply ;-)

Just my 2p worth,

Hmm, just had a dig around the BSAc website and found the following on this page: Rebreather FAQs - BSAC

What units are suitable for use in branch diving?
All rebreather types are used in BSAC branch diving under the following conditions; The rebreather is specified by it's manufacturer as being suitable for use by recreational sport divers.
In order to use gas mixes other than nitrox, the rebreather should have been explicitly specified by the manufacturer as suitable for mixed gas use in recreational diving.

In addition, units used in branch diving need to comply with the following:

Have a recognised training course for the rebreather by a recognised training agency supporting the intended use.

The manufacturer or his agent provides full spares and service support for the rebreather in the countries it is being offered for sale and used in.

What is BSAC's recommendation regarding the purchase or diving of rebreathers outside the UK?
If someone dives outside the European Community (EC) or buys a personal non-CE unit outside the EC and brings it into Britain, in principle they are approved to dive it provided these rebreathers comply with the criteria for use on BSAC branch dives as defined above.
It is not against European law to buy a personal non-CE rebreather outside the EC and bring it into Britain provided the units are not being sold or used for paid work. It should be noted that under EC directive EN14143, it is an offence to sell a rebreather that does not conform to CE marking in any EC member state. This directive is now incorporated as a British Standard as BS EN 14143. The offence is to sell it, not to use it. This applies equally to second hand sales as it does to the sale of new units. If you intend to sell your rebreather, for your own protection, you should ensure it is standard as 'CE Mark' before selling it on.

My reading of this is that the rEvo should be OK?

cheers
Matt

**Dave Sutton** · 17th April 2007, 16:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans)

Sorry I meant Third Party Controllers, The fitting of the Solonoid etc would be a factory job

The controller will be a factory kit as well......

Dave

**PhilSiswick** · 17th April 2007, 16:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by MattW)

Hmm, just had a dig around the BSAc website and found the following on this page: Rebreather FAQs - BSAC

What units are suitable for use in branch diving?
All rebreather types are used in BSAC branch diving under the following conditions; The rebreather is specified by it's manufacturer as being suitable for use by recreational sport divers.
In order to use gas mixes other than nitrox, the rebreather should have been explicitly specified by the manufacturer as suitable for mixed gas use in recreational diving.

In addition, units used in branch diving need to comply with the following:

Have a recognised training course for the rebreather by a recognised training agency supporting the intended use.

The manufacturer or his agent provides full spares and service support for the rebreather in the countries it is being offered for sale and used in.

What is BSAC's recommendation regarding the purchase or diving of rebreathers outside the UK?
If someone dives outside the European Community (EC) or buys a personal non-CE unit outside the EC and brings it into Britain, in principle they are approved to dive it provided these rebreathers comply with the criteria for use on BSAC branch dives as defined above.
It is not against European law to buy a personal non-CE rebreather outside the EC and bring it into Britain provided the units are not being sold or used for paid work. It should be noted that under EC directive EN14143, it is an offence to sell a rebreather that does not conform to CE marking in any EC member state. This directive is now incorporated as a British Standard as BS EN 14143. The offence is to sell it, not to use it. This applies equally to second hand sales as it does to the sale of new units. If you intend to sell your rebreather, for your own protection, you should ensure it is standard as 'CE Mark' before selling it on.

My reading of this is that the rEvo should be OK?

cheers
Matt

Interesting - that's a change of position. I'd contact them directly to explicitly confirm that the rEvo is covered for the BSAC third party insurance. If you have that in writing, you're well away.

There's been a lot of movement on this front recently.

Cheers,

**Dave Sutton** · 17th April 2007, 17:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

There's been a lot of movement on this front recently. Cheers,

Mostly to non-EU "free-havens" like Switzerland and Canada....

Dave

***caveseeker7*** · 18th April 2007, 15:45

You might also want to contact Paul (regarding spares) and ANDI UK (regarding training), both both of whom/which may help square the rEvo away with BSAC.

Janos · 18th April 2007, 16:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by MattW)

Hmm, just had a dig around the BSAc website and found the following on this page: Rebreather FAQs - BSAC

What units are suitable for use in branch diving?
All rebreather types are used in BSAC branch diving under the following conditions; The rebreather is specified by it's manufacturer as being suitable for use by recreational sport divers.
In order to use gas mixes other than nitrox, the rebreather should have been explicitly specified by the manufacturer as suitable for mixed gas use in recreational diving.

In addition, units used in branch diving need to comply with the following:

Have a recognised training course for the rebreather by a recognised training agency supporting the intended use.

The manufacturer or his agent provides full spares and service support for the rebreather in the countries it is being offered for sale and used in.

What is BSAC's recommendation regarding the purchase or diving of rebreathers outside the UK?
If someone dives outside the European Community (EC) or buys a personal non-CE unit outside the EC and brings it into Britain, in principle they are approved to dive it provided these rebreathers comply with the criteria for use on BSAC branch dives as defined above.
It is not against European law to buy a personal non-CE rebreather outside the EC and bring it into Britain provided the units are not being sold or used for paid work. It should be noted that under EC directive EN14143, it is an offence to sell a rebreather that does not conform to CE marking in any EC member state. This directive is now incorporated as a British Standard as BS EN 14143. The offence is to sell it, not to use it. This applies equally to second hand sales as it does to the sale of new units. If you intend to sell your rebreather, for your own protection, you should ensure it is standard as 'CE Mark' before selling it on.

My reading of this is that the rEvo should be OK?

Mike Rowley (Tech. Chief Examiner) and Clare Peddie (NDO) were having a look at the Revo at the London show, so I don't think there will have been a decision one way or the other.

It might be worth dropping them an email and asking them exactly what the state of play is. I would guess that they won't explicitly consider a unit until a BSAC member asks them to (otherwise they would do nothing else all day).

Janos

MattW · 18th April 2007, 17:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos)

Mike Rowley (Tech. Chief Examiner) and Clare Peddie (NDO) were having a look at the Revo at the London show, so I don't think there will have been a decision one way or the other.

It might be worth dropping them an email and asking them exactly what the state of play is. I would guess that they won't explicitly consider a unit until a BSAC member asks them to (otherwise they would do nothing else all day).

Janos

Good thinking Janos and Stefan,

I'll send a few e-mails!

cheers
Matt

***Decodiver*** · 18th April 2007, 19:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by MattW)

Good thinking Janos and Stefan,

I'll send a few e-mails!

cheers
Matt

Matt, you can mention to BSAC that PSA have an approved rEvo course, I know as I wrote the standards & exam etc.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

17th April 2007, 15:54	#21 (permalink)
Grahjam New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Warrington (a delightful Cheshire Hamlet) - UK Posts: 30	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Matt So whats the decision???? BR Grahjam
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17th April 2007, 16:05	#22 (permalink)
MattW New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 22	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Quote: (Originally Posted by Grahjam) Matt So whats the decision???? BR Grahjam rEvo when I can raise the cash (don't hold yer breath!) Matt
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17th April 2007, 16:25	#23 (permalink)
MattW New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 22	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) I'm not sure you should bank on that until one of the BSAC Rebreather Working Group has bought one. A key criterion for permitting units to be dived on BSAC dives 'was' that they are CE rated. Once someone on the Working Group had a KISS, that criterion no longer seemed to apply ;-) Just my 2p worth, Hmm, just had a dig around the BSAc website and found the following on this page: Rebreather FAQs - BSAC What units are suitable for use in branch diving? All rebreather types are used in BSAC branch diving under the following conditions; The rebreather is specified by it's manufacturer as being suitable for use by recreational sport divers. In order to use gas mixes other than nitrox, the rebreather should have been explicitly specified by the manufacturer as suitable for mixed gas use in recreational diving. In addition, units used in branch diving need to comply with the following: Have a recognised training course for the rebreather by a recognised training agency supporting the intended use. The manufacturer or his agent provides full spares and service support for the rebreather in the countries it is being offered for sale and used in. What is BSAC's recommendation regarding the purchase or diving of rebreathers outside the UK? If someone dives outside the European Community (EC) or buys a personal non-CE unit outside the EC and brings it into Britain, in principle they are approved to dive it provided these rebreathers comply with the criteria for use on BSAC branch dives as defined above. It is not against European law to buy a personal non-CE rebreather outside the EC and bring it into Britain provided the units are not being sold or used for paid work. It should be noted that under EC directive EN14143, it is an offence to sell a rebreather that does not conform to CE marking in any EC member state. This directive is now incorporated as a British Standard as BS EN 14143. The offence is to sell it, not to use it. This applies equally to second hand sales as it does to the sale of new units. If you intend to sell your rebreather, for your own protection, you should ensure it is standard as 'CE Mark' before selling it on. My reading of this is that the rEvo should be OK? cheers Matt Last edited by MattW : 17th April 2007 at 16:27.
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17th April 2007, 16:29	#24 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Living on Animal Farm Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,598	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans) Sorry I meant Third Party Controllers, The fitting of the Solonoid etc would be a factory job The controller will be a factory kit as well...... Dave __________________ . "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" Professional Small Boy: Never Successfully Cubicled.
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17th April 2007, 16:50	#25 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 902	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Quote: (Originally Posted by MattW) Hmm, just had a dig around the BSAc website and found the following on this page: Rebreather FAQs - BSAC What units are suitable for use in branch diving? All rebreather types are used in BSAC branch diving under the following conditions; The rebreather is specified by it's manufacturer as being suitable for use by recreational sport divers. In order to use gas mixes other than nitrox, the rebreather should have been explicitly specified by the manufacturer as suitable for mixed gas use in recreational diving. In addition, units used in branch diving need to comply with the following: Have a recognised training course for the rebreather by a recognised training agency supporting the intended use. The manufacturer or his agent provides full spares and service support for the rebreather in the countries it is being offered for sale and used in. What is BSAC's recommendation regarding the purchase or diving of rebreathers outside the UK? If someone dives outside the European Community (EC) or buys a personal non-CE unit outside the EC and brings it into Britain, in principle they are approved to dive it provided these rebreathers comply with the criteria for use on BSAC branch dives as defined above. It is not against European law to buy a personal non-CE rebreather outside the EC and bring it into Britain provided the units are not being sold or used for paid work. It should be noted that under EC directive EN14143, it is an offence to sell a rebreather that does not conform to CE marking in any EC member state. This directive is now incorporated as a British Standard as BS EN 14143. The offence is to sell it, not to use it. This applies equally to second hand sales as it does to the sale of new units. If you intend to sell your rebreather, for your own protection, you should ensure it is standard as 'CE Mark' before selling it on. My reading of this is that the rEvo should be OK? cheers Matt Interesting - that's a change of position. I'd contact them directly to explicitly confirm that the rEvo is covered for the BSAC third party insurance. If you have that in writing, you're well away. There's been a lot of movement on this front recently. Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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17th April 2007, 17:03	#26 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Living on Animal Farm Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,598	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) There's been a lot of movement on this front recently. Cheers, Mostly to non-EU "free-havens" like Switzerland and Canada.... Dave __________________ . "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" Professional Small Boy: Never Successfully Cubicled.
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18th April 2007, 15:45	#27 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,402	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? You might also want to contact Paul (regarding spares) and ANDI UK (regarding training), both both of whom/which may help square the rEvo away with BSAC. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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18th April 2007, 16:18	#28 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 594	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Quote: (Originally Posted by MattW) Hmm, just had a dig around the BSAc website and found the following on this page: Rebreather FAQs - BSAC What units are suitable for use in branch diving? All rebreather types are used in BSAC branch diving under the following conditions; The rebreather is specified by it's manufacturer as being suitable for use by recreational sport divers. In order to use gas mixes other than nitrox, the rebreather should have been explicitly specified by the manufacturer as suitable for mixed gas use in recreational diving. In addition, units used in branch diving need to comply with the following: Have a recognised training course for the rebreather by a recognised training agency supporting the intended use. The manufacturer or his agent provides full spares and service support for the rebreather in the countries it is being offered for sale and used in. What is BSAC's recommendation regarding the purchase or diving of rebreathers outside the UK? If someone dives outside the European Community (EC) or buys a personal non-CE unit outside the EC and brings it into Britain, in principle they are approved to dive it provided these rebreathers comply with the criteria for use on BSAC branch dives as defined above. It is not against European law to buy a personal non-CE rebreather outside the EC and bring it into Britain provided the units are not being sold or used for paid work. It should be noted that under EC directive EN14143, it is an offence to sell a rebreather that does not conform to CE marking in any EC member state. This directive is now incorporated as a British Standard as BS EN 14143. The offence is to sell it, not to use it. This applies equally to second hand sales as it does to the sale of new units. If you intend to sell your rebreather, for your own protection, you should ensure it is standard as 'CE Mark' before selling it on. My reading of this is that the rEvo should be OK? Mike Rowley (Tech. Chief Examiner) and Clare Peddie (NDO) were having a look at the Revo at the London show, so I don't think there will have been a decision one way or the other. It might be worth dropping them an email and asking them exactly what the state of play is. I would guess that they won't explicitly consider a unit until a BSAC member asks them to (otherwise they would do nothing else all day). Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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18th April 2007, 17:21	#29 (permalink)
MattW New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 22	Re: rEvo for a UK newbie? Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos) Mike Rowley (Tech. Chief Examiner) and Clare Peddie (NDO) were having a look at the Revo at the London show, so I don't think there will have been a decision one way or the other. It might be worth dropping them an email and asking them exactly what the state of play is. I would guess that they won't explicitly consider a unit until a BSAC member asks them to (otherwise they would do nothing else all day). Janos Good thinking Janos and Stefan, I'll send a few e-mails! cheers Matt
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18th April 2007, 19:44	#30 (permalink)
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