[seppu]

hai
@schneela
please introduce yourself.this place is not a kindergarten,mostly
gruss sepp

[paulraymaekers]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Schneela)

I do not understand why you denigrate other units and describe your unit as the best ( http://www.diveoztek.com.au/speakers25.htm?PHPSESSID=e510cd836230e6afe0c9b253c 8db7736 ).

I also do not understand why you put your units on the market over Switzerland (liability problems?).

hello '???',

question 1: where is the denigration ??, and what manufacturer would not find his own unit the best performing ?? :-)

question 2: fully explained on our website: ordering info.. as the unit is not CE, we follow the law, and do not sell the unit in countrys where the CE is an obligation. We could also make fake papers and let the customers believe that the unit is realy CE, but we do not play that game!

paul

[Dinspiration]

I don't know why you are coming up with this "Fake papers stuff" again and again. We saw already hundreds of this entries and and a lot of discussions without any clear result. If you have a personal problem with one of the other manufactures, please solve it directly with them. It is boring to see this argument again and again.

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

We could also make fake papers and let the customers believe that the unit is realy CE, but we do not play that game!

@schneela - There is nothing wrong in selling a product over Switzerland. As we are not in the EC, we don't have all the problems with CE marked products. And the explanation on Pauls web is correct.

[paulraymaekers]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dinspiration)

I don't know why you are coming up with this "Fake papers stuff" again and again. We saw already hundreds of this entries and and a lot of discussions without any clear result. If you have a personal problem with one of the other manufactures, please solve it directly with them. It is boring to see this argument again and again.

if you want to, you can PM me about this topic. I can explain it easy withouth offending other manufacturers

regards
paul

[seppu]

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

hello '???',



We could also make fake papers and let the customers believe that the unit is realy CE, but we do not play that game!

paul

hai paul
people read this and think other rebreather companies are bad.only our company is god.
i have fake paper here!

[Schneela]

Quote: (Originally Posted by seppu)

hai
@schneela
please introduce yourself.this place is not a kindergarten,mostly
gruss sepp

Hi,

As some people are interested in my person here are my personal data: My name is Lara Schnell. I am a diver since 1998. Since 2001 I dive the Draeger Dolphin/Dolphin Kiss Modus.

[PhilSiswick]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Schneela)

Hi,

As some people are interested in my person here are my personal data: My name is Lara Schnell. I am a diver since 1998. Since 2001 I dive the Draeger Dolphin/Dolphin Kiss Modus.

Hi Lara,

Welcome aboard - thanks for introducing yourself. I hope that you gain something from being on the list.

I'd still be interested to know why you took against Paul so strongly.

Cheers,

[Nad]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Schneela)

Hi,

As some people are interested in my person here are my personal data: My name is Lara Schnell. I am a diver since 1998. Since 2001 I dive the Draeger Dolphin/Dolphin Kiss Modus.

And now? I still can't understand your point, did you had any trouble with Paul?
Maybe you did enter the forum without to read all the other thread about the rEvo. Try to do it and then think above it.
Personally I think Paul is the most honest of the European manufacturer not CE approved because he clearly say and write it.

Note: I'm not a rEvo owner!

Nad

[seppu]

Personally I think Paul is the most honest of the European manufacturer not CE approved because he clearly say and write it.

Note: I'm not a rEvo owner!

Nad[/quote]
personally i think matthias pfister,holger berghäuser and a handfull other have the same level."most honest"maybe you musst look a little bit more around.
note.i`m not a ron,tr300 or habanero owner!

[jmurba]

Quote: (Originally Posted by seppu)

Personally I think Paul is the most honest of the European manufacturer not CE approved because he clearly say and write it.

Note: I'm not a rEvo owner!

Nad

personally i think matthias pfister,holger berghäuser and a handfull other have the same level."most honest"maybe you musst look a little bit more around.
note.i`m not a ron,tr300 or habanero owner![/quote]

Hi all,

I think that the discussion about EC certification is really important, it is a key point of the rebreather world.
I met paul a couple of years ago, and dived the rubis wreck a couple of years ago.
we met because paul was a member of the french draegerkiss rebrather mailing list I had created at this time.
at this time we were all making the first european kiss scr conversions, we all could have afford buddy insp but all chose to dive kiss style for personnal reasons, safety reasons .
Paul discoverered like all our group that kiss style diving was a good solution for us.
unlike most of us that only wanted to get means of diving, paul decided to spend time, money to design a kiss style rebrather and he did the job.

If I had not been interrested in electronics and microcontroler programing preferring making my own gauges, if Ihad not been really happy with my modified dolphin I would have bougth a revo

Discovering that a kiss style ccr rebreather had gained the EC marking (the submatix) paul like many of us here down tried to understand how come a kiss style rebreather could have gained the marking given that the EC standars forces the makers to design rebreather automaticaly maintening a breathable gas without diver control, what a kiss style rebreather can't do, even if some says that it can't ....

As paul certainenly did I tried to find the italian company that certified the submatix , not to blame the submatix , but just to understand....I got no reply to my questions and paul certainly did not get any reply either.....

I think all of that is unfair....

the fact that the submatix could get the marking where Paul was said it was not possible is unfair.

It is not acceptable not to be able to understand...

It is not acceptable that paul rebreather can't get the marking were the submatix got it.

As soon as we will have the answer to this questions this kind of thead will remind on the lists and foums....

I visited a couple of lists and read the same questions about the queer submatix certification.

the answers are not clear.

this is the problem

how come anyone can blame paul for beeing puzzled by this situation ?

I think that we all should demand to our governements to clearly say that kiss style rebreather can be ec approuved !!!


then paul's rebreather would be EC markable...


that's all

the fact that paul uses p ports and ray twin hoses is not a problem for EC... paul could machine anything....

I think that rebreather world and all the other european rebreather lists could cooperate to make a big pétition to defend the kiss

regards

jean mi