Shearwater Pursuit Announcement

dantheman · 11th September 2007, 13:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Plugs and sockets have no place on or in any SCUBA gear IMO, everything should be hardwired. Too many comprimises to in water safety for convience on the surface in my opinion.

I believe the opposite.

Items that are hardwired inevitably receive greater strain from routine ops
on the surface, so the more I can remove from the unit, the less odd angles
to catch on things. Both unit and pieces get more TLC and tend to last longer.

Certainly, more holes are more chances for water ingress, but practice tells
me the compromise is effective to avoid more catastrophic failures from strain.

In general, of course

--dan

bgpartri · 11th September 2007, 15:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by cameron)

when I got my shearwater with the old grey cable the kidney had the cables routed in the same place with the "soon to be realeased" HUD going in on the other side of the scrubber retaining bolt.

I always thought that it was a much cleaner system. I can imagine that it was a production cost thing to use the standard kiss kidney, but I would be interested in replacing it with the "old" style kidney, if I can still get the GF and the HUD on it.

Is that possible bruce?

Not easily. Kim (IKM) drilled and tapped a HUD hole in the Jetsam kidney.

The new Jetsam kidney meets one of the needs. The holes are joined so one cable can access all three sensors. That allows us to put a Pursuit on it. But it only has one connection, so you can't connect a HUD too unless you drill another hole.

I think we need to make a new kidney with two fittings that come out horizontally. They would be the older style cable glands. Then we could offer the same flexibility we have now, but have the cleaner cabling of the cables coming out of the front of the kidney. That would also allow people to have no connectors if they want that.

I don't have that now Cameron, but I will put it on the list.

Bruce

Trukdiver · 11th September 2007, 21:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman)

I believe the opposite.

Items that are hardwired inevitably receive greater strain from routine ops
on the surface, so the more I can remove from the unit, the less odd angles
to catch on things. Both unit and pieces get more TLC and tend to last longer.

Certainly, more holes are more chances for water ingress, but practice tells
me the compromise is effective to avoid more catastrophic failures from strain.

In general, of course

--dan

Spoken like someone who has caught his displays on something and ripped a wire out! I did that too - twice. I am now a soldering iron pro and plan to opt toward the Shearwater that can be disconnected.

**trob09** · 11th September 2007, 21:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by Trukdiver)

Spoken like someone who has caught his displays on something and ripped a wire out! I did that too - twice. I am now a soldering iron pro and plan to opt toward the Shearwater that can be disconnected.

Even though I witnessed one of those events, I still like the Idea of permanently attached electronics that aren't going to go skating off a pitching deck in to the briny deep...

dantheman · 11th September 2007, 22:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Trukdiver)

Spoken like someone who has caught his displays on something and ripped a wire out!

Inductive reasoning is our sole evolutionary advantage, IMHO

Besides, I'm a computer scientist. Modularity is my religion.

--dan

silentscuba · 11th September 2007, 22:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09)

Even though I witnessed one of those events, I still like the Idea of permanently attached electronics that aren't going to go skating off a pitching deck in to the briny deep...

If you maintain and lock the Fisher Connectors properly, I feel that they give some added advantage by being able to remove and exchange the computer.

Less strain on the cable and less chance of computer damage. It also allows you to swap out computers if you have two, which I have.

I like this system very well and have had no problems with the connectors failing or coming undone.

Just like anything else, you need to maintain and pay attention to your gear.

**trob09** · 11th September 2007, 23:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba)

Just like anything else, you need to maintain and pay attention to your gear.

I guess I feel that this maxim applies equally to either side of the discussion - permanently attached or removable. Fortunately, personal preference doesn't carry the same negative stigma with rebreather divers as it does in other circles.

diverklondike · 11th September 2007, 23:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba)

If you maintain and lock the Fisher Connectors properly, I feel that they give some added advantage by being able to remove and exchange the computer.

Less strain on the cable and less chance of computer damage. It also allows you to swap out computers if you have two, which I have.

I like this system very well and have had no problems with the connectors failing or coming undone.

Just like anything else, you need to maintain and pay attention to your gear.

I agree with Tim on this one... I have been there... done that... (Had fischers and been a fan of them) With that I would rather have hard wired. Actually the wrist units on my picture were fischer connected.

Mark

IKM · 12th September 2007, 14:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri)

I think we need to make a new kidney with two fittings that come out horizontally. They would be the older style cable glands. Then we could offer the same flexibility we have now, but have the cleaner cabling of the cables coming out of the front of the kidney. That would also allow people to have no connectors if they want that.

I don't have that now Cameron, but I will put it on the list.

Bruce

Yep, I think the cables coming out the front are the way to go. I added a pic on the previous page of what the GF and hud look like comiing out the front of the kidney.

**trob09** · 12th September 2007, 15:19

[Hijack]

Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman)

Inductive reasoning is our sole evolutionary advantage, IMHO

One could argue that my cat is capable of inductive reasoning.

Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman)

Modularity is my religion.

--dan

From the man who decried the "tyranny of choice"!

[/Hijack]

11th September 2007, 13:21	#21 (permalink)
dantheman Emoticonoclast Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: NorthEast USA Posts: 394	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Plugs and sockets have no place on or in any SCUBA gear IMO, everything should be hardwired. Too many comprimises to in water safety for convience on the surface in my opinion. I believe the opposite. Items that are hardwired inevitably receive greater strain from routine ops on the surface, so the more I can remove from the unit, the less odd angles to catch on things. Both unit and pieces get more TLC and tend to last longer. Certainly, more holes are more chances for water ingress, but practice tells me the compromise is effective to avoid more catastrophic failures from strain. In general, of course --dan
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11th September 2007, 15:17	#22 (permalink)
bgpartri Rebreather Zealot Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 412	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by cameron) when I got my shearwater with the old grey cable the kidney had the cables routed in the same place with the "soon to be realeased" HUD going in on the other side of the scrubber retaining bolt. I always thought that it was a much cleaner system. I can imagine that it was a production cost thing to use the standard kiss kidney, but I would be interested in replacing it with the "old" style kidney, if I can still get the GF and the HUD on it. Is that possible bruce? Not easily. Kim (IKM) drilled and tapped a HUD hole in the Jetsam kidney. The new Jetsam kidney meets one of the needs. The holes are joined so one cable can access all three sensors. That allows us to put a Pursuit on it. But it only has one connection, so you can't connect a HUD too unless you drill another hole. I think we need to make a new kidney with two fittings that come out horizontally. They would be the older style cable glands. Then we could offer the same flexibility we have now, but have the cleaner cabling of the cables coming out of the front of the kidney. That would also allow people to have no connectors if they want that. I don't have that now Cameron, but I will put it on the list. Bruce __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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11th September 2007, 21:09	#23 (permalink)
Trukdiver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 48	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman) I believe the opposite. Items that are hardwired inevitably receive greater strain from routine ops on the surface, so the more I can remove from the unit, the less odd angles to catch on things. Both unit and pieces get more TLC and tend to last longer. Certainly, more holes are more chances for water ingress, but practice tells me the compromise is effective to avoid more catastrophic failures from strain. In general, of course --dan Spoken like someone who has caught his displays on something and ripped a wire out! I did that too - twice. I am now a soldering iron pro and plan to opt toward the Shearwater that can be disconnected. __________________ Sunny Longordo CK#245
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11th September 2007, 21:33	#24 (permalink)
trob09 Sock Puppet Wannabe Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 702	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by Trukdiver) Spoken like someone who has caught his displays on something and ripped a wire out! I did that too - twice. I am now a soldering iron pro and plan to opt toward the Shearwater that can be disconnected. Even though I witnessed one of those events, I still like the Idea of permanently attached electronics that aren't going to go skating off a pitching deck in to the briny deep...
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11th September 2007, 22:02	#25 (permalink)
dantheman Emoticonoclast Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: NorthEast USA Posts: 394	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by Trukdiver) Spoken like someone who has caught his displays on something and ripped a wire out! Inductive reasoning is our sole evolutionary advantage, IMHO Besides, I'm a computer scientist. Modularity is my religion. --dan
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11th September 2007, 22:07	#26 (permalink)
silentscuba rEvo CCR Driver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mill Creek, WA USA Posts: 590	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09) Even though I witnessed one of those events, I still like the Idea of permanently attached electronics that aren't going to go skating off a pitching deck in to the briny deep... If you maintain and lock the Fisher Connectors properly, I feel that they give some added advantage by being able to remove and exchange the computer. Less strain on the cable and less chance of computer damage. It also allows you to swap out computers if you have two, which I have. I like this system very well and have had no problems with the connectors failing or coming undone. Just like anything else, you need to maintain and pay attention to your gear. __________________ Curt McNamee rEvo CCR Diver KISS CCR Diver www.silentscuba.com
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11th September 2007, 23:30	#27 (permalink)
trob09 Sock Puppet Wannabe Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 702	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba) Just like anything else, you need to maintain and pay attention to your gear. I guess I feel that this maxim applies equally to either side of the discussion - permanently attached or removable. Fortunately, personal preference doesn't carry the same negative stigma with rebreather divers as it does in other circles.
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11th September 2007, 23:46	#28 (permalink)
diverklondike Just one of the Peasants Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,603	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba) If you maintain and lock the Fisher Connectors properly, I feel that they give some added advantage by being able to remove and exchange the computer. Less strain on the cable and less chance of computer damage. It also allows you to swap out computers if you have two, which I have. I like this system very well and have had no problems with the connectors failing or coming undone. Just like anything else, you need to maintain and pay attention to your gear. I agree with Tim on this one... I have been there... done that... (Had fischers and been a fan of them) With that I would rather have hard wired. Actually the wrist units on my picture were fischer connected. Mark
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12th September 2007, 14:04	#29 (permalink)
IKM New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Western Australia Posts: 51	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri) I think we need to make a new kidney with two fittings that come out horizontally. They would be the older style cable glands. Then we could offer the same flexibility we have now, but have the cleaner cabling of the cables coming out of the front of the kidney. That would also allow people to have no connectors if they want that. I don't have that now Cameron, but I will put it on the list. Bruce Yep, I think the cables coming out the front are the way to go. I added a pic on the previous page of what the GF and hud look like comiing out the front of the kidney. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It tastes like air ....
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12th September 2007, 15:19	#30 (permalink)
trob09 Sock Puppet Wannabe Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 702	Re: Shearwater Pursuit Announcement [Hijack] Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman) Inductive reasoning is our sole evolutionary advantage, IMHO One could argue that my cat is capable of inductive reasoning. Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman) Modularity is my religion. --dan From the man who decried the "tyranny of choice"! [/Hijack]
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