Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR

TR300 · 1st December 2006, 07:51

Hi,

I am Voyager Instructor too. I had owned one but I was happy after selling it

I don't like the desing. the V 1 had long time no ADV (no way to integrate one in a serious way). now the new models has one (in the scrubber head). If you look at the avatar from crazydiver you see what one problem is. the OTS counterlungs are to big (in the upper area) this comes from the kind the hoses are connected. they don't use a T-knee the hoses from the scrubber goes in the head side of the counterlungs, the breathing hose comes with big 90 degree fitting from the outer upper side. this is when filled with some short (or in scr mode with more) air like a ballon. it's not sreamlined and goes over the divers ears

then the manual inlets, they use side puss inflation (some drysuit has this) and the inlets are on the outer side of the CL. so if you have a slingbottle you cant reach them. (I had an near accident at my first dry).

the only two thing I like very much at the Voy was the scrubber. it was thermal protected and easy to fill and the gaswitchblocks.

I think with other designed CL the rig should be diveable. If you look at the V 1 tec with all in double, you have no space in the front (4 big counterlung, a lot of hoses) the workload in finding anything is extremous.
the sports looks like a copy of the optima, but the kind of connecting the cylinders ist very neat. (they hangs in the diver knees).
The V 2 looks like a modified Azimuth, but in my opionion the CL are to high placed (sitting higher then the divers lungs)

I know reb. design is't easy. but there are some good design out there.

The market in germany is very very small for reb. the most sellings are today Dolphins, Submatix and RB80 (and clones). then perhaps the Voyager. (I just trained one diver, who is buying mine) In germany we have just flat lakes and if a diver wants a Rebreather then just for travelling to a see location (but for travelling in an airplane the V is to heavy to take it with you).

Holger

Marc T · 1st December 2006, 08:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300)

Hi,

I am Voyager Instructor too. I had owned one but I was happy after selling it

I don't like the desing. the V 1 had long time no ADV (no way to integrate one in a serious way). now the new models has one (in the scrubber head). If you look at the avatar from crazydiver you see what one problem is. the OTS counterlungs are to big (in the upper area) this comes from the kind the hoses are connected. they don't use a T-knee the hoses from the scrubber goes in the head side of the counterlungs, the breathing hose comes with big 90 degree fitting from the outer upper side. this is when filled with some short (or in scr mode with more) air like a ballon. it's not sreamlined and goes over the divers ears

then the manual inlets, they use side puss inflation (some drysuit has this) and the inlets are on the outer side of the CL. so if you have a slingbottle you cant reach them. (I had an near accident at my first dry).

the only two thing I like very much at the Voy was the scrubber. it was thermal protected and easy to fill and the gaswitchblocks.

I think with other designed CL the rig should be diveable. If you look at the V 1 tec with all in double, you have no space in the front (4 big counterlung, a lot of hoses) the workload in finding anything is extremous.
the sports looks like a copy of the optima, but the kind of connecting the cylinders ist very neat. (they hangs in the diver knees).
The V 2 looks like a modified Azimuth, but in my opionion the CL are to high placed (sitting higher then the divers lungs)

I know reb. design is't easy. but there are some good design out there.

The market in germany is very very small for reb. the most sellings are today Dolphins, Submatix and RB80 (and clones). then perhaps the Voyager. (I just trained one diver, who is buying mine) In germany we have just flat lakes and if a diver wants a Rebreather then just for travelling to a see location (but for travelling in an airplane the V is to heavy to take it with you).

Holger

In fact the only one I was thinking about, writing my previous post was the VI tek, I understood there is nothing fitted in the CL except the breathe hoses, thats what I like very much.
Thinking about a mCCR Rebreather for sea diving and travelling I think OTS CL become a choice to think about otherwise a back mounted CL like the rEVO would be my immediate choice...Seen it few days ago...lovely
On the other hand Im not travelling a lot

and it could be a better way to buy something for what I do than something for what I dream to do

.

Cheers

Marc

***EBT*** · 1st December 2006, 08:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by crazydiver)

i have had one scr, no more a dive master get out me from the water at 50 ft. a cuple friends of my are die.

but... anyway ... thay sell just bullsheet and i don't want lose my time. just one thing, this company don't make onor to the wonderfull italy.

Out of interest, could you post some more about what caused your problem, what actually happened etc?

granso · 1st December 2006, 10:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300)

Hi,

I am Voyager Instructor too. I had owned one but I was happy after selling it

I don't like the desing. the V 1 had long time no ADV (no way to integrate one in a serious way). now the new models has one (in the scrubber head). If you look at the avatar from crazydiver you see what one problem is. the OTS counterlungs are to big (in the upper area) this comes from the kind the hoses are connected. they don't use a T-knee the hoses from the scrubber goes in the head side of the counterlungs, the breathing hose comes with big 90 degree fitting from the outer upper side. this is when filled with some short (or in scr mode with more) air like a ballon. it's not sreamlined and goes over the divers ears

then the manual inlets, they use side puss inflation (some drysuit has this) and the inlets are on the outer side of the CL. so if you have a slingbottle you cant reach them. (I had an near accident at my first dry).

the only two thing I like very much at the Voy was the scrubber. it was thermal protected and easy to fill and the gaswitchblocks.

I think with other designed CL the rig should be diveable. If you look at the V 1 tec with all in double, you have no space in the front (4 big counterlung, a lot of hoses) the workload in finding anything is extremous.
the sports looks like a copy of the optima, but the kind of connecting the cylinders ist very neat. (they hangs in the diver knees).
The V 2 looks like a modified Azimuth, but in my opionion the CL are to high placed (sitting higher then the divers lungs)

I know reb. design is't easy. but there are some good design out there.

The market in germany is very very small for reb. the most sellings are today Dolphins, Submatix and RB80 (and clones). then perhaps the Voyager. (I just trained one diver, who is buying mine) In germany we have just flat lakes and if a diver wants a Rebreather then just for travelling to a see location (but for travelling in an airplane the V is to heavy to take it with you).

Holger

Hi Holger, why don't you contact the producer, or the German dealer and tell them your opinions. I guess they would be worth to think about!
There is no T-knee on purpose. In this way the CL acts like a watertrap and the probability of flood in the filter is negligible.
The ADV is implemented in the new models.
The manual inlets in the 1M are like you said, in the TEK are on the waist belt, so the problem (?) has been overcome.

Tschuss

TR300 · 1st December 2006, 11:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by granso)

Hi Holger, why don't you contact the producer, or the German dealer and tell them your opinions. I guess they would be worth to think about!
There is no T-knee on purpose. In this way the CL acts like a watertrap and the probability of flood in the filter is negligible.
The ADV is implemented in the new models.
The manual inlets in the 1M are like you said, in the TEK are on the waist belt, so the problem (?) has been overcome.

Tschuss

Hi granso
with T-knee there is also the possibility to use the CL as watertrap.

my writing was just my view of the system.

For me personal I like the oldfashion backmounted CL

even when this kind of rebreather is outdated today.

Holger

atomik · 1st December 2006, 16:31

Thanks to all for responce.

I know the problems with the producer. It's not securely the best company in Italy, it has not a traditional customer service and it's very hard speak with the CO to have assistance. I know all this.

I don't like to speak of kills, specially if the notice is old and mistaken. The instructor that yoy refer wasn't in the water that day. A friend is died alone and for a stupid error.

Thanks TR300 for your tips on Voyager.

gibbogeo · 2nd December 2006, 07:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by atomik)

I don't like to speak of kills, specially if the notice is old and mistaken. The instructor that yoy refer wasn't in the water that day. A friend is died alone and for a stupid error

Wich one of the three know fatal accidents are you reffering to? The one in the Pollaccia cave, the one in "lago maggiore" or the one in Grado? And if you know something about an accident, can you make it public, so the rumours will be cleared? Thank you.

atomik · 2nd December 2006, 11:47

crazydiver wrote: [... for scure i know a professional italian instructor have kill one student on cave!!! in USA the voice running the company have false certification and bunch legaly enjury...]

I think crazydiver was reffering to last accident in Pollaccia cave.
I know only the words of who was in cave that day, but I wan't speak for them. I can confirm only the victim was in cave alone for its choice and the tragic incident has happened for an its error. It was a cave exploration, not a course and nobody instructors was in water.
Thanks

wookey · 2nd December 2006, 11:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by atomik)

crazydiver wrote: [... for scure i know a professional italian instructor have kill one student on cave!!! in USA the voice running the company have false certification and bunch legaly enjury...]

I think crazydiver was reffering to last accident in Pollaccia cave.
I know only the words of who was in cave that day, but I wan't speak for them. I can confirm only the victim was in cave alone for its choice and the tragic incident has happened for an its error. It was a cave exploration, not a course and nobody instructors was in water.
Thanks

On a well known italian Website, the leading diver in the pollaccia is offering courses with this rebreather

crazydiver · 2nd December 2006, 17:33

the first person that died was my personal friend nemed alessandro, hi was instructor for voyager and hi died after one dive of 5 minutes in 20ft. hi died out of water and trainer was present name walter mariani.

second in grado was an other professional diver died in the port, someone of the company have say hi because was full of cocaine? but for sure someone have try to buy the silence of the technician from croatia "dado" but without success.

3 i need get out from here soon, but when i come back i can tall

1st December 2006, 07:51	#11 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 223	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Hi, I am Voyager Instructor too. I had owned one but I was happy after selling it I don't like the desing. the V 1 had long time no ADV (no way to integrate one in a serious way). now the new models has one (in the scrubber head). If you look at the avatar from crazydiver you see what one problem is. the OTS counterlungs are to big (in the upper area) this comes from the kind the hoses are connected. they don't use a T-knee the hoses from the scrubber goes in the head side of the counterlungs, the breathing hose comes with big 90 degree fitting from the outer upper side. this is when filled with some short (or in scr mode with more) air like a ballon. it's not sreamlined and goes over the divers ears then the manual inlets, they use side puss inflation (some drysuit has this) and the inlets are on the outer side of the CL. so if you have a slingbottle you cant reach them. (I had an near accident at my first dry). the only two thing I like very much at the Voy was the scrubber. it was thermal protected and easy to fill and the gaswitchblocks. I think with other designed CL the rig should be diveable. If you look at the V 1 tec with all in double, you have no space in the front (4 big counterlung, a lot of hoses) the workload in finding anything is extremous. the sports looks like a copy of the optima, but the kind of connecting the cylinders ist very neat. (they hangs in the diver knees). The V 2 looks like a modified Azimuth, but in my opionion the CL are to high placed (sitting higher then the divers lungs) I know reb. design is't easy. but there are some good design out there. The market in germany is very very small for reb. the most sellings are today Dolphins, Submatix and RB80 (and clones). then perhaps the Voyager. (I just trained one diver, who is buying mine) In germany we have just flat lakes and if a diver wants a Rebreather then just for travelling to a see location (but for travelling in an airplane the V is to heavy to take it with you). Holger __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de Last edited by TR300 : 1st December 2006 at 07:55.
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1st December 2006, 08:05	#12 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 499	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300) Hi, I am Voyager Instructor too. I had owned one but I was happy after selling it I don't like the desing. the V 1 had long time no ADV (no way to integrate one in a serious way). now the new models has one (in the scrubber head). If you look at the avatar from crazydiver you see what one problem is. the OTS counterlungs are to big (in the upper area) this comes from the kind the hoses are connected. they don't use a T-knee the hoses from the scrubber goes in the head side of the counterlungs, the breathing hose comes with big 90 degree fitting from the outer upper side. this is when filled with some short (or in scr mode with more) air like a ballon. it's not sreamlined and goes over the divers ears then the manual inlets, they use side puss inflation (some drysuit has this) and the inlets are on the outer side of the CL. so if you have a slingbottle you cant reach them. (I had an near accident at my first dry). the only two thing I like very much at the Voy was the scrubber. it was thermal protected and easy to fill and the gaswitchblocks. I think with other designed CL the rig should be diveable. If you look at the V 1 tec with all in double, you have no space in the front (4 big counterlung, a lot of hoses) the workload in finding anything is extremous. the sports looks like a copy of the optima, but the kind of connecting the cylinders ist very neat. (they hangs in the diver knees). The V 2 looks like a modified Azimuth, but in my opionion the CL are to high placed (sitting higher then the divers lungs) I know reb. design is't easy. but there are some good design out there. The market in germany is very very small for reb. the most sellings are today Dolphins, Submatix and RB80 (and clones). then perhaps the Voyager. (I just trained one diver, who is buying mine) In germany we have just flat lakes and if a diver wants a Rebreather then just for travelling to a see location (but for travelling in an airplane the V is to heavy to take it with you). Holger In fact the only one I was thinking about, writing my previous post was the VI tek, I understood there is nothing fitted in the CL except the breathe hoses, thats what I like very much. Thinking about a mCCR Rebreather for sea diving and travelling I think OTS CL become a choice to think about otherwise a back mounted CL like the rEVO would be my immediate choice...Seen it few days ago...lovely On the other hand Im not travelling a lot and it could be a better way to buy something for what I do than something for what I dream to do . Cheers Marc
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1st December 2006, 08:26	#13 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,116	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by crazydiver) i have had one scr, no more a dive master get out me from the water at 50 ft. a cuple friends of my are die. but... anyway ... thay sell just bullsheet and i don't want lose my time. just one thing, this company don't make onor to the wonderfull italy. Out of interest, could you post some more about what caused your problem, what actually happened etc? __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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1st December 2006, 10:33	#14 (permalink)
granso New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Posts: 20	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by TR300) Hi, I am Voyager Instructor too. I had owned one but I was happy after selling it I don't like the desing. the V 1 had long time no ADV (no way to integrate one in a serious way). now the new models has one (in the scrubber head). If you look at the avatar from crazydiver you see what one problem is. the OTS counterlungs are to big (in the upper area) this comes from the kind the hoses are connected. they don't use a T-knee the hoses from the scrubber goes in the head side of the counterlungs, the breathing hose comes with big 90 degree fitting from the outer upper side. this is when filled with some short (or in scr mode with more) air like a ballon. it's not sreamlined and goes over the divers ears then the manual inlets, they use side puss inflation (some drysuit has this) and the inlets are on the outer side of the CL. so if you have a slingbottle you cant reach them. (I had an near accident at my first dry). the only two thing I like very much at the Voy was the scrubber. it was thermal protected and easy to fill and the gaswitchblocks. I think with other designed CL the rig should be diveable. If you look at the V 1 tec with all in double, you have no space in the front (4 big counterlung, a lot of hoses) the workload in finding anything is extremous. the sports looks like a copy of the optima, but the kind of connecting the cylinders ist very neat. (they hangs in the diver knees). The V 2 looks like a modified Azimuth, but in my opionion the CL are to high placed (sitting higher then the divers lungs) I know reb. design is't easy. but there are some good design out there. The market in germany is very very small for reb. the most sellings are today Dolphins, Submatix and RB80 (and clones). then perhaps the Voyager. (I just trained one diver, who is buying mine) In germany we have just flat lakes and if a diver wants a Rebreather then just for travelling to a see location (but for travelling in an airplane the V is to heavy to take it with you). Holger Hi Holger, why don't you contact the producer, or the German dealer and tell them your opinions. I guess they would be worth to think about! There is no T-knee on purpose. In this way the CL acts like a watertrap and the probability of flood in the filter is negligible. The ADV is implemented in the new models. The manual inlets in the 1M are like you said, in the TEK are on the waist belt, so the problem (?) has been overcome. Tschuss
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1st December 2006, 11:16	#15 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 223	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by granso) Hi Holger, why don't you contact the producer, or the German dealer and tell them your opinions. I guess they would be worth to think about! There is no T-knee on purpose. In this way the CL acts like a watertrap and the probability of flood in the filter is negligible. The ADV is implemented in the new models. The manual inlets in the 1M are like you said, in the TEK are on the waist belt, so the problem (?) has been overcome. Tschuss Hi granso with T-knee there is also the possibility to use the CL as watertrap. my writing was just my view of the system. For me personal I like the oldfashion backmounted CL even when this kind of rebreather is outdated today. Holger __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de
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1st December 2006, 16:31	#16 (permalink)
atomik RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ITALY Posts: 42	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Thanks to all for responce. I know the problems with the producer. It's not securely the best company in Italy, it has not a traditional customer service and it's very hard speak with the CO to have assistance. I know all this. I don't like to speak of kills, specially if the notice is old and mistaken. The instructor that yoy refer wasn't in the water that day. A friend is died alone and for a stupid error. Thanks TR300 for your tips on Voyager.
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2nd December 2006, 07:29	#17 (permalink)
gibbogeo Gilberto Bonaga, Italy Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: italy Posts: 334	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by atomik) I don't like to speak of kills, specially if the notice is old and mistaken. The instructor that yoy refer wasn't in the water that day. A friend is died alone and for a stupid error Wich one of the three know fatal accidents are you reffering to? The one in the Pollaccia cave, the one in "lago maggiore" or the one in Grado? And if you know something about an accident, can you make it public, so the rumours will be cleared? Thank you.
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2nd December 2006, 11:47	#18 (permalink)
atomik RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ITALY Posts: 42	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR crazydiver wrote: [... for scure i know a professional italian instructor have kill one student on cave!!! in USA the voice running the company have false certification and bunch legaly enjury...] I think crazydiver was reffering to last accident in Pollaccia cave. I know only the words of who was in cave that day, but I wan't speak for them. I can confirm only the victim was in cave alone for its choice and the tragic incident has happened for an its error. It was a cave exploration, not a course and nobody instructors was in water. Thanks
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2nd December 2006, 11:57	#19 (permalink)
wookey New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: switzerland Posts: 63	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR Quote: (Originally Posted by atomik) crazydiver wrote: [... for scure i know a professional italian instructor have kill one student on cave!!! in USA the voice running the company have false certification and bunch legaly enjury...] I think crazydiver was reffering to last accident in Pollaccia cave. I know only the words of who was in cave that day, but I wan't speak for them. I can confirm only the victim was in cave alone for its choice and the tragic incident has happened for an its error. It was a cave exploration, not a course and nobody instructors was in water. Thanks On a well known italian Website, the leading diver in the pollaccia is offering courses with this rebreather
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2nd December 2006, 17:33	#20 (permalink)
crazydiver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: palm springs ca Posts: 12	Re: Looking for a Aquatek Voyager SCR/CCR the first person that died was my personal friend nemed alessandro, hi was instructor for voyager and hi died after one dive of 5 minutes in 20ft. hi died out of water and trainer was present name walter mariani. second in grado was an other professional diver died in the port, someone of the company have say hi because was full of cocaine? but for sure someone have try to buy the silence of the technician from croatia "dado" but without success. 3 i need get out from here soon, but when i come back i can tall
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