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| Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo
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| Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it ...You might do better off with a one-on-one with another instructor that might take a less military like approach and mentor you through the process, gradually allowing you to progress over time instead of a concentrated programm all at once.... I second that recommendation.as you gain confidence, you'll be able to handle surprises much more readily.. Different people are more comfortable with different learning techniques, environments or paces. It is just like some people could study with music on full blast, and some must have absolute silent. The important thing is you must be in total control of the unit while doing any skill exercises. A good instructor will know when to push you at your limit, not his not your fellow students. I am sure you will see a world of difference if you could find an instructor doing a one-on-one course for you, or doing it with students who have never done a Rebreather dive either!
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| RBW Member ![]() Current Rebreather/s: | Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it Yes, I've already heard shit from a few people saying I was I pussy, but something didn't feel right, once I get the voice in my head its hard to push on. Ya know I was there too. I hated the pool session also, but when shit hits the fan that is exactly what is going to happen. Holy Crap! Your skills must be muscle memory rather than thought process. Every class I take, I seem to dread it, and say to my self I can do this, and when it is all done I love it even more, and glad I made it through the courses. It is all about getting more exprience. I like to take my time and know my Rebreather well, before the next step. You are the only person that knows if it is the right step or not, hats off to you for sticking with your decision and a green blob for you.! Maybe in time you will have that desire to pursue the RB again. Good luck in your in your adventures.Going back to OC, getting all my skills to where they need to be and taking the class again is the best bet. What didn't help was diving with a bunch of SCR divers who had no problems, and Leon yelling BOOM!! and OPEN DIL FLUSH just was too much for my first dive, hard for me to admit and harder to leave the class after only 2 days, but better than getting pulled out of the water because I F'd up. Those people who say you are sissy or a pussy .... I would get new friends. We are talking about your life and being able to make the next dive, for god sakes!!!
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| I do all my own stunts ![]() ![]() ![]() Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US
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| Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it I would not make any inference to how good a individual instructor was having not taken a class with them or question their style of teaching. I read your post as you felt you were not ready in your own mind for what was about to happen after already making a large investment in the rebreather and the training. Tough decision no doubt. Once again I would not sweat the crap from your buddies. get back in the water and start looking into what it was that that sparked the fight or flight feeling. There is a huge amount of info on this forum that can help. I can only assume that Leon has a set plan of objectives that he was attempting to simulate in order to, for a lack of a better word "drown proof" you early on and build on those skills as the class progressed. The process is well tested by the armed forces diving schools. the sense of being stressed and out of control has some integral part of the learning process that will allow for complete recall when needed to keep you alive.
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| RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk
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| Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it I would agree with those who say try a different instructor on a 1 to 1 level .I did my course on a classic inspo with an instructor that I had known a fair while ,the pool sessions were fine ,we even did a couple of shore dives which went very well but then we went to stoney cove (inland quarry near birmingham uk) to finish the course & on the first dive we decended to 6m did our checks then down to the 10m shelf & at that point I made frantic signs to the instructor that I wanted up "KNOW" he eventually managed to get me to check the handsets & verify everything was ok then he took me back up to 6m were he patiently sat (literally) for 25 minutes with me while I got my head back together .We then did a 1 hour dive round the quarry with no issues . This sounds like what you need from an instructor if you want to try again at any time ,now or later . But if you don't feel ready then don't let anybody talk you out of it by calling you names .As has been said it takes big brass ones to admit that maybe you were wrong to buy an expensive piece of kit & then sell it . Good luck & hope to hear from you on here in the future . ATB
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| New Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland, USA / DerbyShire, UK
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| Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it Dont get me wrong, Leon is a great instructor, he was not the problem, my skills are what made me get out, I was doing fine on the unit, my trim was good but for some reason when I did the OC bailout and my reg had a freeflow it really spooked me, this is something I should be able to handle no problem, and I didn't, then the voices in my head started, the rest is history. Well, there is no finger pointing, my skills and comfort level were not there, thats the bottom line. |
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| Moderator ![]() Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx
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| Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it I second that recommendation. I agree that not everyone can learn using the same methods... Some learn best when put under high stress, others need to be brought along slowly with increasing levels of stress.. Different people are more comfortable with different learning techniques, environments or paces. It is just like some people could study with music on full blast, and some must have absolute silent. The important thing is you must be in total control of the unit while doing any skill exercises. A good instructor will know when to push you at your limit, not his not your fellow students. I am sure you will see a world of difference if you could find an instructor doing a one-on-one course for you, or doing it with students who have never done a Rebreather dive either! Its important to match up the right personalities..
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| Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: | Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it you have golden balls and a solid path to self preservation. I would hold your head up high as you my friend have done what some should have done yet lacked the intestinal fortitude to follow through ( listen to the little voice ). I nominate you for a anti -FIGJAM award. Have some green !! I couldn't agree more. You both get some green and have made me happy seeing that people acknowledge this type of decision.
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| Escapee from DIY Rebreather's Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Reading, UK
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| Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it Sulaco, Looking at your post, you say you're going to try again at the end of this year/in 07? if so it may be worth hanging onto the unit. You'll probably take quite a hit selling it second hand, and it would save you money in the long run (worst case you try in 18 months and it costs you for a new set of cells). However if you're sure that you're going to not go back to it then stick with the intention of selling the unit. HTH Simon A |
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| CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: | Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it You'll probably take quite a hit selling it second hand, and it would save you money in the long run (worst case you try in 18 months and it costs you for a new set of cells) I'd like to second that, sounds like you bought a NICE piece of kit, it isn't going to wear out by storing it and will still be a good setup when you are happy with it. Selling it now (at the end of the diving season as well) and you will may regret it later. Not just cost but all the other factors as well. During my course the instructor said that a number of people decide they hate it and want to sell it on days 2&3 but are happy they kept going by the end of the week, if you had a scare on top of that- I can begin to understand your decision. The fact that you have reavaluated your training bodes well for CCR diving (in my limited experience) as chances are from now on you will check and test everything exactly as you where taught, unlike most everyone else (myself included), who despite everything they learnt will let these things slip eventually or occasionally. Whatever you decide- best of luck and safe diving. BEN
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| Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX
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| Re: F/S New Meg less than 2 hrs on it A lot of great advice already given here. From my perspective, I'd have to say give it another chance and see if the voice remains after another couple of hours with an instructor. If you went through more of the underwater time I'd say you probably made the right decision but it seems like your inner voice came out quite early in the process and, when that happens to me, I always question whether that voice is coming out because of stress, a new environment, and/or not living up to my own expectations of where I thought I should be at any given progression of skills. Learning and getting comfortable with a skill like switching regs will be virtually the same whether OC or CCR. Good luck in whichever way you decide to go. |
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