Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale

**PhilSiswick** · 7th February 2008, 13:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Just wait until he gets that black-lidded Evo from DEMA because the MK-5p
is just too damn big and heavy, and the unlocking codes drive him nuts.

Clearly it's only a matter of time now....

mathias · 7th February 2008, 16:23

Quote:

If anyone wants to dive it, let me know and I'll arrange it

finally e god reason to visite the US

**Fun Under Pressure** · 8th February 2008, 20:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by mathias)

finally e god reason to visite the US

Yep

Stephane · 22nd April 2008, 15:03

So, Dave, you had your new toy since quite a while now, what are your impressions ?

**Dave Sutton** · 22nd April 2008, 16:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane)

So, Dave, you had your new toy since quite a while now, what are your impressions ?

My impression is that I've expected to receive it "soon" from KJ where it's undergoing overhaul and have been waiting many moons now.... Bottom line is that the mechanical part of the overhaul is supposedly done and now it's the 'lekkies part that needs to be completed. I'm preparing to sacrifice a virgin to coax it outta KJ's shop so I can dive with it.

So....

Dave

***USSMEG*** · 22nd April 2008, 19:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

My impression is that I've expected to receive it "soon" from KJ where it's undergoing overhaul and have been waiting many moons now.... Bottom line is that the mechanical part of the overhaul is supposedly done and now it's the 'lekkies part that needs to be completed. I'm preparing to sacrifice a virgin to coax it outta KJ's shop so I can dive with it.

So....

Dave

Hang in there Dave, it will be worth the wait.
Paul

**Dave Sutton** · 22nd April 2008, 21:05

Talked to KJ today and ought to have it next week. Naturally I start flying on Tuesday for 12 days.... figures.

Dave

zzzzzzzz · 23rd April 2008, 02:53

Hi Dave,

Some Chimay perhaps? ;-)

Ilikerisk · 24th April 2008, 18:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

The gas block, to me, is the core feature of the rig and I've tried many times to design and build a clone of it to add to a Mark-15, without success.

I keep hearing this from people, and I keep thinking "That thing came on the market years ago. The patents (if any) must be expired. Anyone could buy one, take it apart, and build and sell copies as an aftermarket for other devices." What am I missing?

**Dave Sutton** · 24th April 2008, 19:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ilikerisk)

I keep hearing this from people, and I keep thinking "That thing came on the market years ago. The patents (if any) must be expired. Anyone could buy one, take it apart, and build and sell copies as an aftermarket for other devices." What am I missing?

Uhh.... several $mil to lose? The only issue with the CIS was that it was a $50K rebreather to produce that sold for $15K. Money was lost on every one. At least they made up for it with volume..

The gas block: I dunno if there is any patent on the actual concept, but it's *just* a sophisticated set of valves machined into a block. The same functionality can be made at home given enough Swagelok parts. It's the integration that's difficult to duplicate, but with CAD to run the internal port and passage geometry and CNC to make it... why not? No more complex than many aircraft type hydraulic actuator bodies to make. It would *certainly* cost in the many $k at the end of the day so ?? on market.

Dave

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PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,101	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Just wait until he gets that black-lidded Evo from DEMA because the MK-5p is just too damn big and heavy, and the unlocking codes drive him nuts. Clearly it's only a matter of time now.... __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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7th February 2008, 16:23	#12 (permalink)
mathias Ouroboros #31 Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic MK 15.X Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland - Murten Posts: 189	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Quote: If anyone wants to dive it, let me know and I'll arrange it finally e god reason to visite the US __________________ Our dreams are other people's nightmares ;-) Plus près du fond, plus loin des cons !
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8th February 2008, 20:38	#13 (permalink)
Fun Under Pressure Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 811	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Quote: (Originally Posted by mathias) finally e god reason to visite the US Yep
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22nd April 2008, 15:03	#14 (permalink)
Stephane Stéphane Acounis Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 788	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale So, Dave, you had your new toy since quite a while now, what are your impressions ? __________________ Stéphane
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22nd April 2008, 16:54	#15 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,913	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane) So, Dave, you had your new toy since quite a while now, what are your impressions ? My impression is that I've expected to receive it "soon" from KJ where it's undergoing overhaul and have been waiting many moons now.... Bottom line is that the mechanical part of the overhaul is supposedly done and now it's the 'lekkies part that needs to be completed. I'm preparing to sacrifice a virgin to coax it outta KJ's shop so I can dive with it. So.... Dave __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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22nd April 2008, 19:26	#16 (permalink)
*USSMEG* USSMEG Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mass Posts: 302	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) My impression is that I've expected to receive it "soon" from KJ where it's undergoing overhaul and have been waiting many moons now.... Bottom line is that the mechanical part of the overhaul is supposedly done and now it's the 'lekkies part that needs to be completed. I'm preparing to sacrifice a virgin to coax it outta KJ's shop so I can dive with it. So.... Dave Hang in there Dave, it will be worth the wait. Paul
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22nd April 2008, 21:05	#17 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,913	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Talked to KJ today and ought to have it next week. Naturally I start flying on Tuesday for 12 days.... figures. Dave __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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23rd April 2008, 02:53	#18 (permalink)
zzzzzzzz RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 120	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Hi Dave, Some Chimay perhaps? ;-) __________________ z
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24th April 2008, 18:50	#19 (permalink)
Ilikerisk New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York Posts: 48	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) The gas block, to me, is the core feature of the rig and I've tried many times to design and build a clone of it to add to a Mark-15, without success. I keep hearing this from people, and I keep thinking "That thing came on the market years ago. The patents (if any) must be expired. Anyone could buy one, take it apart, and build and sell copies as an aftermarket for other devices." What am I missing?
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24th April 2008, 19:06	#20 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,913	Re: Cis Lunar MK 5 Ser #003 for sale Quote: (Originally Posted by Ilikerisk) I keep hearing this from people, and I keep thinking "That thing came on the market years ago. The patents (if any) must be expired. Anyone could buy one, take it apart, and build and sell copies as an aftermarket for other devices." What am I missing? Uhh.... several $mil to lose? The only issue with the CIS was that it was a $50K rebreather to produce that sold for $15K. Money was lost on every one. At least they made up for it with volume.. The gas block: I dunno if there is any patent on the actual concept, but it's just a sophisticated set of valves machined into a block. The same functionality can be made at home given enough Swagelok parts. It's the integration that's difficult to duplicate, but with CAD to run the internal port and passage geometry and CNC to make it... why not? No more complex than many aircraft type hydraulic actuator bodies to make. It would certainly cost in the many $k at the end of the day so ?? on market. Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 24th April 2008 at 19:10.
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