Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions??

JOHNU · 8th February 2007, 03:03

My buddy and I are trying to set up some "prep" wrecks for the Doria this year so we can dive it next year sometime. I am sure that at least some of you here in RBworld have already dove her and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to recommend some wrecks around the United States/ Canada that compare.

I have heard from a few guys that have dove her that she will be gone soon (well not gone, but you know) and that we should hurry up if we are going to. Any help would be appreciated.

We have already ear marked the Jodrey, Empress, a couple in Washington, and one in Ca. that is dove very very little.

I have found several others but some suggestions from some vetran wreckers (is that a word??) will help with the final bookings.

Thanks

John Uglem

Mixaddict · 8th February 2007, 03:34

Which "one" in CA are you referring to?

Capt.Dan · 8th February 2007, 03:59

The oil wreck in 180 ft. off Jersey,and the Goulandris in 200 ft.is also a good warm up dive.

Safe Diving,

Capt.Dan

JOHNU · 8th February 2007, 05:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mixaddict)

Which "one" in CA are you referring to?

I probably shouldn't have mentioned that one. We have been invited on it by another group. We were asked to keep it to ourselves. I don't mean any disrespect but I wouldn't want to betray any trust. Sorry

I can say it is a rig tender in about 240fsw.

solocavediver · 8th February 2007, 13:28

Hi

I've only once dived a wreck at helium depth (200 feet) so take what I say cum grano salis. If preparing to do more deep wrecks I would think along the lines: (1) find a shallow pool only 40 feet deep and practise line laying with a big reel. (2) Get buddy to remove face mask and practise following laid line back out in poor visibility. (3) get buddy to apply blindfold and practise following laid line in zero visibility. How do I know my gas is breathable? (4) recognising the need for large o/c backup tanks, do (1)-(3) all over again this time with two steel 95s on either side of the Inspo. Check that buoyancy and trim are OK. (5) Think carefully about safe deco. Several options are available which differ more at depth than shallow. (6) Try skills in an environment with warm water and little to no current - if one's a cavediver, a visit to the Eagle's Nest might suit. Once the location is deepish, the steel backup tanks need to have a weak trimix in them. Don't risk life and limb by cheapskate sticking to air. (7) Then enjoy the Doria. The skills with the reel and the large backup tanks will eliminate several common reasons for accidents. Most common disaster is lost in zero vis. With a Rebreather, some sort of loop flood or electronics failure is what makes the backup a must.

cheers,

Charles.

***jradomski*** · 8th February 2007, 18:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by JOHNU)

My buddy and I are trying to set up some "prep" wrecks for the Doria this year so we can dive it next year sometime. I am sure that at least some of you here in RBworld have already dove her and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to recommend some wrecks around the United States/ Canada that compare.

I have heard from a few guys that have dove her that she will be gone soon (well not gone, but you know) and that we should hurry up if we are going to. Any help would be appreciated.

We have already ear marked the Jodrey, Empress, a couple in Washington, and one in Ca. that is dove very very little.

I have found several others but some suggestions from some vetran wreckers (is that a word??) will help with the final bookings.

Thanks

John Uglem

John,
The first thing I would do is find a place with ripping current and limited viz and get used to diving in it.. Next you must get confortable going up and down a down/anchor line and hanging in a ripping current for long periods of time while keeping you stops spot on....

duckster3d · 8th February 2007, 20:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by JOHNU)

My buddy and I are trying to set up some "prep" wrecks for the Doria this year so we can dive it next year sometime. I am sure that at least some of you here in RBworld have already dove her and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to recommend some wrecks around the United States/ Canada that compare.

I have heard from a few guys that have dove her that she will be gone soon (well not gone, but you know) and that we should hurry up if we are going to. Any help would be appreciated.

We have already ear marked the Jodrey, Empress, a couple in Washington, and one in Ca. that is dove very very little.

I have found several others but some suggestions from some vetran wreckers (is that a word??) will help with the final bookings.

Thanks

John Uglem

Some good warm up dives can be found along the mid atlantic from Hatteras with the E.M. Clark, at 250 and ussually has a ripping current, good vis and warm, but a tough wreck to dive, there are several other good wreck out of hatteras that are also very good warm up dives, then move a tad north and go out of va beach do the Ethel C, 190, low vis and cold,maybe the Ocean Venture, 160 cold vis is ussually pretty good. Then head a bit farther north going out of Ocean City and dive the Bow Mariner, 250 and cold mid vis.

You do these dives, and you have a idea of what the Doria trip would be like, also you should do several deep dives back to back, get use to being on a boat over night, and doing two deep dives each day, this is one of the things that will add a lot of stress to the Doria. Most divers go out in the am do a dive and are back at the dock by evening, there is a mojor differance staying out over night, bouncing around while trying to sleep, and such.

check out Capt JT's Wreck Diving Site and also New Page 3 for their boat schedules.

good luck

**Dave Sutton** · 8th February 2007, 21:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by solocavediver)

(1) find a shallow pool only 40 feet deep and practise line laying with a big reel.

Nobody in their right mind on their first Doria trip will be using a reel..... snce nobody on their first trip to her belongs anywhere inside her. If you cannot find your way back to the anchor line by following the structure in the vis available..... don't leave the anchor line.

IACDT = Innapropriate Application of Cave Diving Techniques. Keep 'em out of the ocean.

Joe R. has it right when he talks about current and deco in same. Handle that and you'll be fine. Streamline your gear for a current and you'll be well found.

Dave

diverklondike · 8th February 2007, 22:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by duckster3d)

Some good warm up dives can be found along the mid atlantic from Hatteras with the E.M. Clark, at 250 and ussually has a ripping current, good vis and warm, but a tough wreck to dive, there are several other good wreck out of hatteras that are also very good warm up dives, then move a tad north and go out of va beach do the Ethel C, 190, low vis and cold,maybe the Ocean Venture, 160 cold vis is ussually pretty good. Then head a bit farther north going out of Ocean City and dive the Bow Mariner, 250 and cold mid vis.

You do these dives, and you have a idea of what the Doria trip would be like, also you should do several deep dives back to back, get use to being on a boat over night, and doing two deep dives each day, this is one of the things that will add a lot of stress to the Doria. Most divers go out in the am do a dive and are back at the dock by evening, there is a mojor differance staying out over night, bouncing around while trying to sleep, and such.

check out Capt JT's Wreck Diving Site and also New Page 3 for their boat schedules.

good luck

Hmmmmm.... I hate to state this but I disagree with the dives comparisions mentioned above. While the Doria can have great conditions, the biggest issue is that the conditions can and do change all of the time. Changing currents... Cold... Dramatic changes in vis etc... You name it and it happens. One of the best wrecks to dive in prep has already been mentioned, the Oil Wreck. For that matter if your in the Northeast US there is an area out of New Jersey called the "Mud Hole". It has that name for good reason. Typically the dives in this area are... cold.... dark.... etc...

Dive Safe....

Mark

JOHNU · 9th February 2007, 03:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Nobody in their right mind on their first Doria trip will be using a reel..... snce nobody on their first trip to her belongs anywhere inside her. If you cannot find your way back to the anchor line by following the structure in the vis available..... don't leave the anchor line.

IACDT = Innapropriate Application of Cave Diving Techniques. Keep 'em out of the ocean.

Joe R. has it right when he talks about current and deco in same. Handle that and you'll be fine. Streamline your gear for a current and you'll be well found.

Dave

Thanks Dave. We are on the same page.

8th February 2007, 03:03	#1 (permalink)
JOHNU New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tx Posts: 72	Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? My buddy and I are trying to set up some "prep" wrecks for the Doria this year so we can dive it next year sometime. I am sure that at least some of you here in RBworld have already dove her and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to recommend some wrecks around the United States/ Canada that compare. I have heard from a few guys that have dove her that she will be gone soon (well not gone, but you know) and that we should hurry up if we are going to. Any help would be appreciated. We have already ear marked the Jodrey, Empress, a couple in Washington, and one in Ca. that is dove very very little. I have found several others but some suggestions from some vetran wreckers (is that a word??) will help with the final bookings. Thanks John Uglem
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8th February 2007, 03:34	#2 (permalink)
Mixaddict RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Draper, Utah USA Posts: 520	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Which "one" in CA are you referring to? __________________ Randy Thornton (MixAddict) Inspiration, Evolution, Hammerhead & Sentinel CCR Instructor
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8th February 2007, 03:59	#3 (permalink)
Capt.Dan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: nj Posts: 8	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? The oil wreck in 180 ft. off Jersey,and the Goulandris in 200 ft.is also a good warm up dive. Safe Diving, Capt.Dan
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8th February 2007, 05:07	#4 (permalink)
JOHNU New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tx Posts: 72	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mixaddict) Which "one" in CA are you referring to? I probably shouldn't have mentioned that one. We have been invited on it by another group. We were asked to keep it to ourselves. I don't mean any disrespect but I wouldn't want to betray any trust. Sorry I can say it is a rig tender in about 240fsw.
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8th February 2007, 13:28	#5 (permalink)
solocavediver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Leeds UK Posts: 117	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Hi I've only once dived a wreck at helium depth (200 feet) so take what I say cum grano salis. If preparing to do more deep wrecks I would think along the lines: (1) find a shallow pool only 40 feet deep and practise line laying with a big reel. (2) Get buddy to remove face mask and practise following laid line back out in poor visibility. (3) get buddy to apply blindfold and practise following laid line in zero visibility. How do I know my gas is breathable? (4) recognising the need for large o/c backup tanks, do (1)-(3) all over again this time with two steel 95s on either side of the Inspo. Check that buoyancy and trim are OK. (5) Think carefully about safe deco. Several options are available which differ more at depth than shallow. (6) Try skills in an environment with warm water and little to no current - if one's a cavediver, a visit to the Eagle's Nest might suit. Once the location is deepish, the steel backup tanks need to have a weak trimix in them. Don't risk life and limb by cheapskate sticking to air. (7) Then enjoy the Doria. The skills with the reel and the large backup tanks will eliminate several common reasons for accidents. Most common disaster is lost in zero vis. With a Rebreather, some sort of loop flood or electronics failure is what makes the backup a must. cheers, Charles.
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8th February 2007, 18:45	#6 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Quote: (Originally Posted by JOHNU) My buddy and I are trying to set up some "prep" wrecks for the Doria this year so we can dive it next year sometime. I am sure that at least some of you here in RBworld have already dove her and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to recommend some wrecks around the United States/ Canada that compare. I have heard from a few guys that have dove her that she will be gone soon (well not gone, but you know) and that we should hurry up if we are going to. Any help would be appreciated. We have already ear marked the Jodrey, Empress, a couple in Washington, and one in Ca. that is dove very very little. I have found several others but some suggestions from some vetran wreckers (is that a word??) will help with the final bookings. Thanks John Uglem John, The first thing I would do is find a place with ripping current and limited viz and get used to diving in it.. Next you must get confortable going up and down a down/anchor line and hanging in a ripping current for long periods of time while keeping you stops spot on.... __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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8th February 2007, 20:59	#7 (permalink)
duckster3d New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: newport news, va Posts: 9	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Quote: (Originally Posted by JOHNU) My buddy and I are trying to set up some "prep" wrecks for the Doria this year so we can dive it next year sometime. I am sure that at least some of you here in RBworld have already dove her and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to recommend some wrecks around the United States/ Canada that compare. I have heard from a few guys that have dove her that she will be gone soon (well not gone, but you know) and that we should hurry up if we are going to. Any help would be appreciated. We have already ear marked the Jodrey, Empress, a couple in Washington, and one in Ca. that is dove very very little. I have found several others but some suggestions from some vetran wreckers (is that a word??) will help with the final bookings. Thanks John Uglem Some good warm up dives can be found along the mid atlantic from Hatteras with the E.M. Clark, at 250 and ussually has a ripping current, good vis and warm, but a tough wreck to dive, there are several other good wreck out of hatteras that are also very good warm up dives, then move a tad north and go out of va beach do the Ethel C, 190, low vis and cold,maybe the Ocean Venture, 160 cold vis is ussually pretty good. Then head a bit farther north going out of Ocean City and dive the Bow Mariner, 250 and cold mid vis. You do these dives, and you have a idea of what the Doria trip would be like, also you should do several deep dives back to back, get use to being on a boat over night, and doing two deep dives each day, this is one of the things that will add a lot of stress to the Doria. Most divers go out in the am do a dive and are back at the dock by evening, there is a mojor differance staying out over night, bouncing around while trying to sleep, and such. check out Capt JT's Wreck Diving Site and also New Page 3 for their boat schedules. good luck Last edited by duckster3d : 8th February 2007 at 21:00. Reason: added info
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8th February 2007, 21:31	#8 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Quote: (Originally Posted by solocavediver) (1) find a shallow pool only 40 feet deep and practise line laying with a big reel. Nobody in their right mind on their first Doria trip will be using a reel..... snce nobody on their first trip to her belongs anywhere inside her. If you cannot find your way back to the anchor line by following the structure in the vis available..... don't leave the anchor line. IACDT = Innapropriate Application of Cave Diving Techniques. Keep 'em out of the ocean. Joe R. has it right when he talks about current and deco in same. Handle that and you'll be fine. Streamline your gear for a current and you'll be well found. Dave __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 8th February 2007 at 21:34.
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8th February 2007, 22:52	#9 (permalink)
diverklondike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,713	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Quote: (Originally Posted by duckster3d) Some good warm up dives can be found along the mid atlantic from Hatteras with the E.M. Clark, at 250 and ussually has a ripping current, good vis and warm, but a tough wreck to dive, there are several other good wreck out of hatteras that are also very good warm up dives, then move a tad north and go out of va beach do the Ethel C, 190, low vis and cold,maybe the Ocean Venture, 160 cold vis is ussually pretty good. Then head a bit farther north going out of Ocean City and dive the Bow Mariner, 250 and cold mid vis. You do these dives, and you have a idea of what the Doria trip would be like, also you should do several deep dives back to back, get use to being on a boat over night, and doing two deep dives each day, this is one of the things that will add a lot of stress to the Doria. Most divers go out in the am do a dive and are back at the dock by evening, there is a mojor differance staying out over night, bouncing around while trying to sleep, and such. check out Capt JT's Wreck Diving Site and also New Page 3 for their boat schedules. good luck Hmmmmm.... I hate to state this but I disagree with the dives comparisions mentioned above. While the Doria can have great conditions, the biggest issue is that the conditions can and do change all of the time. Changing currents... Cold... Dramatic changes in vis etc... You name it and it happens. One of the best wrecks to dive in prep has already been mentioned, the Oil Wreck. For that matter if your in the Northeast US there is an area out of New Jersey called the "Mud Hole". It has that name for good reason. Typically the dives in this area are... cold.... dark.... etc... Dive Safe.... Mark
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9th February 2007, 03:10	#10 (permalink)
JOHNU New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tx Posts: 72	Re: Prep wrecks for Doria?? Suggestions?? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Nobody in their right mind on their first Doria trip will be using a reel..... snce nobody on their first trip to her belongs anywhere inside her. If you cannot find your way back to the anchor line by following the structure in the vis available..... don't leave the anchor line. IACDT = Innapropriate Application of Cave Diving Techniques. Keep 'em out of the ocean. Joe R. has it right when he talks about current and deco in same. Handle that and you'll be fine. Streamline your gear for a current and you'll be well found. Dave Thanks Dave. We are on the same page.
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