courses

Rickoz · 8th May 2005, 12:06

Ok guys & gals 1st of all i'm NOT wreck trained.

I was on a boat today www.esperancestar.com.au

& talking to some divers about wreck courses.
I said i didn't know of anyone that i could think of that i would want to teach me in my local area.
You know not the P.../N... STD textbook course, I'd rather travel to a Real Wreck Diver Trainer & 1 that Hopefully would teach you more than textbook stuff, but 1 who would give more of the real life lessons that can only be given by a rust lover.

The only person that comes to my mind would be Barry @ Aquamarine in Vanuatu.
Or maybe Stuart Cannon From Victora Australia

So my Q is
1a 1b: Did or Would you travel to get a Course.
2a 2b: Who or Why did you choose that Trainer.
3: Would you do it again with that Wreck Trainer.

***Decodiver*** · 8th May 2005, 12:16

I travelled from the UK to the States to do my Megalodon Mixed Gas crossover and get Instructor authorisation from Leon at ISC.

So the answer is yes, I would travel to get good instruction.

Unfortunately I will not teach Wreck Penetration in the UK as the HSE guidelines make it way too difficult for me to teach it, apart from on the Scylla, so forget it, I might as well use the Stanegarth at Stoney..............No way

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

***schford*** · 8th May 2005, 12:23

I travelled to the States to get my Meg instruction with Leon and yup would do it again.

In fact we are back out in August to the trimix with him, when I do a few other bits and bobs for him...I am also seriously tempted to do a wreck course with him up around Vancouver Island....

I think if you want the best you have to be prepared to travel, I think with instruction as most things in life you get what you pay for.

Stuart

robprice · 8th May 2005, 12:40

The other alternative to is to do a cave cse.
I did this this and it helps with simler skills.
Shows line laying methods also lost drills and so on.

Robprice

ROB DAVIE · 8th May 2005, 12:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by robprice)

The other alternative to is to do a cave cse.

Quote: (Originally Posted by robprice)

I did this this and it helps with simler skills.
Shows line laying methods also lost drills and so on.

Robprice

This Rob would have to agree with that Rob! A full Cave Course from a good instructor is the best overhead environment penetration training that you can possibly get.

Then, for specific difficult wrecks, get with the locals who have been poking around on the one you're interested in for the "hot tips"!

Rob Davie

decoweenie · 8th May 2005, 12:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

...to do my Megalodon Mixed Gas crossover and get Instructor authorisation from Leon...

Is this an agency requirement in lieu of a Meg Instructor Trainer ?

Or is it SOP to become a Meg Instructor with Leon ?

***schford*** · 8th May 2005, 12:59

I believe and I might be wrong that Leon has to authorise all the Instructors for the Meg....

Stuart

***Decodiver*** · 8th May 2005, 14:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Is this an agency requirement in lieu of a Meg Instructor Trainer ?

Or is it SOP to become a Meg Instructor with Leon ?

Hi Phi,

As an IT I travelled to do the user crossover only, Leon assessed me and given previous experience agreed that upon a number of criteria being subsequently met that I would be factory authorised to teach upto CCR Mixed Gas on the unit.

There are only 3 factory authorised Instructors in Europe, myself, Chris Hutchison and Joerg Hess.

Cheers,

Dave.

Bear · 8th May 2005, 15:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rickoz)

I'd rather travel to a Real Wreck Diver Trainer & 1 that Hopefully would teach you more than textbook stuff, but 1 who would give more of the real life lessons that can only be given by a rust lover.

The only person that comes to my mind would be Barry @ Aquamarine in Vanuatu.
Or maybe Stuart Cannon From Victora Australia

Hi Rick,
I wondered why you stayed outside of the wrecks at Curtin Artificial last time I was up there.

The two that you have picked would be fairly decent instructors athough Barry may be spoilt for choice by having had done so many dives on the President Coolidge.

The biggest problem down here (Melbourne) is that the weather "windows" can be fairly narrow and we are frequently blown out or have poor visibility. So your choices would range between having a course in warm water and pretty good vis or spending a week (or more) down here, putting up with swell/shitty conditions

through to not being able to get in the water anywhere decent and if you did, it can be bloody cold as well. Ask Steve about his "first" attempt down here trying to complete a course with Stuart Cannon.

I was fortunate to be asked to come along for a few dives to take photos of course participants, going through their paces, by Barrie Heard (head of IANTD Australasia www.iantd.com.au) during a wreck course and an Adv Nitrox/Technical Diver course. This link will give you an idea of what some of the training involved (especially the J4 (26m) and J2 (39m) images): www.victech.org/iantd/index.htm

I wouldn't hesitate in recommending Barrie as an Instructor as he is also qualified as a CDAA Penetration Instructor and has many years of experience diving on the wrecks down here. Barrie is also experienced with rebreathers as well.

Cheers

Andy M · 8th May 2005, 15:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Unfortunately I will not teach Wreck Penetration in the UK as the HSE guidelines make it way too difficult for me to teach it, apart from on the Scylla, so forget it, I might as well use the Stanegarth at Stoney

Why is that? please elaborate a little more. I am interested, what is special about the Scylla?

8th May 2005, 12:06	#1 (permalink)
Rickoz KISS Rebreather Pilot 109 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 168	courses Ok guys & gals 1st of all i'm NOT wreck trained. I was on a boat today www.esperancestar.com.au & talking to some divers about wreck courses. I said i didn't know of anyone that i could think of that i would want to teach me in my local area. You know not the P.../N... STD textbook course, I'd rather travel to a Real Wreck Diver Trainer & 1 that Hopefully would teach you more than textbook stuff, but 1 who would give more of the real life lessons that can only be given by a rust lover. The only person that comes to my mind would be Barry @ Aquamarine in Vanuatu. Or maybe Stuart Cannon From Victora Australia So my Q is 1a 1b: Did or Would you travel to get a Course. 2a 2b: Who or Why did you choose that Trainer. 3: Would you do it again with that Wreck Trainer. __________________ Rickoz http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gener...sland-r-u.html
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8th May 2005, 12:16	#2 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	I travelled from the UK to the States to do my Megalodon Mixed Gas crossover and get Instructor authorisation from Leon at ISC. So the answer is yes, I would travel to get good instruction. Unfortunately I will not teach Wreck Penetration in the UK as the HSE guidelines make it way too difficult for me to teach it, apart from on the Scylla, so forget it, I might as well use the Stanegarth at Stoney..............No way Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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8th May 2005, 12:23	#3 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	I travelled to the States to get my Meg instruction with Leon and yup would do it again. In fact we are back out in August to the trimix with him, when I do a few other bits and bobs for him...I am also seriously tempted to do a wreck course with him up around Vancouver Island.... I think if you want the best you have to be prepared to travel, I think with instruction as most things in life you get what you pay for. Stuart
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8th May 2005, 12:40	#4 (permalink)
robprice Bob.P Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dubai Posts: 44	Try this The other alternative to is to do a cave cse. I did this this and it helps with simler skills. Shows line laying methods also lost drills and so on. Robprice
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8th May 2005, 12:48	#5 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Quote: (Originally Posted by robprice) The other alternative to is to do a cave cse. Quote: (Originally Posted by robprice) I did this this and it helps with simler skills. Shows line laying methods also lost drills and so on. Robprice This Rob would have to agree with that Rob! A full Cave Course from a good instructor is the best overhead environment penetration training that you can possibly get. Then, for specific difficult wrecks, get with the locals who have been poking around on the one you're interested in for the "hot tips"! Rob Davie __________________ "CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving WHEN PIGS FLY!!"--GI3
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8th May 2005, 12:55	#6 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) ...to do my Megalodon Mixed Gas crossover and get Instructor authorisation from Leon... Is this an agency requirement in lieu of a Meg Instructor Trainer ? Or is it SOP to become a Meg Instructor with Leon ?
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8th May 2005, 12:59	#7 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	I believe and I might be wrong that Leon has to authorise all the Instructors for the Meg.... Stuart
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8th May 2005, 14:02	#8 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Is this an agency requirement in lieu of a Meg Instructor Trainer ? Or is it SOP to become a Meg Instructor with Leon ? Hi Phi, As an IT I travelled to do the user crossover only, Leon assessed me and given previous experience agreed that upon a number of criteria being subsequently met that I would be factory authorised to teach upto CCR Mixed Gas on the unit. There are only 3 factory authorised Instructors in Europe, myself, Chris Hutchison and Joerg Hess. Cheers, Dave. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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8th May 2005, 15:02	#9 (permalink)
Bear Smelling Dairy Air Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Not Bought Yet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 101	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rickoz) I'd rather travel to a Real Wreck Diver Trainer & 1 that Hopefully would teach you more than textbook stuff, but 1 who would give more of the real life lessons that can only be given by a rust lover. The only person that comes to my mind would be Barry @ Aquamarine in Vanuatu. Or maybe Stuart Cannon From Victora Australia Hi Rick, I wondered why you stayed outside of the wrecks at Curtin Artificial last time I was up there. The two that you have picked would be fairly decent instructors athough Barry may be spoilt for choice by having had done so many dives on the President Coolidge. The biggest problem down here (Melbourne) is that the weather "windows" can be fairly narrow and we are frequently blown out or have poor visibility. So your choices would range between having a course in warm water and pretty good vis or spending a week (or more) down here, putting up with swell/shitty conditions through to not being able to get in the water anywhere decent and if you did, it can be bloody cold as well. Ask Steve about his "first" attempt down here trying to complete a course with Stuart Cannon. I was fortunate to be asked to come along for a few dives to take photos of course participants, going through their paces, by Barrie Heard (head of IANTD Australasia www.iantd.com.au) during a wreck course and an Adv Nitrox/Technical Diver course. This link will give you an idea of what some of the training involved (especially the J4 (26m) and J2 (39m) images): www.victech.org/iantd/index.htm I wouldn't hesitate in recommending Barrie as an Instructor as he is also qualified as a CDAA Penetration Instructor and has many years of experience diving on the wrecks down here. Barrie is also experienced with rebreathers as well. Cheers
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8th May 2005, 15:20	#10 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 428	Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Unfortunately I will not teach Wreck Penetration in the UK as the HSE guidelines make it way too difficult for me to teach it, apart from on the Scylla, so forget it, I might as well use the Stanegarth at Stoney Why is that? please elaborate a little more. I am interested, what is special about the Scylla?
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