NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War II

jiseson · 8th July 2008, 10:56

NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War II

Joe · 8th July 2008, 11:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by jiseson)

NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War II

That's a few more wrecks they'll make national monuments out of and we won't be permitted on without a "special permit".

The nation is going broke and they are pissing away money playing .... our tax dollars at work.

**Dave Sutton** · 8th July 2008, 12:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe)

That's a few more wrecks they'll make national monuments out of and we won't be permitted on without a "special permit".

The nation is going broke and they are pissing away money playing .... our tax dollars at work.

Absolutely agreed 110%. What a waste of resources. There's zero to learn about any of the three subs... just zero. "Marine Life"? It's *exactly* the same as what's on every other piece of detritus on the bottom there. I cannot believe that anyone funded this. If anything, it'll put the location of U-701 into the "really" public domain and will ensure more rapid "exploration" after the survey ends. So far the location has been "quietly kept". That'll end. What a shame. As for U-85 and U-352: With literally tens of thousands of dives having been done on them already, WTF do they expect to find? "War Graves"? With all due respect, they have been destination tourist-dives for 30 years. Any "respect' for them as war graves is about 40 years too late.

Dave

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barney · 8th July 2008, 13:46

The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS.

Joe · 8th July 2008, 14:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by barney)

The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS.

This (US) *USED TO BE* the land of the free. We are slowly becoming the land of everything is illegal unless it is micro managed by some bureaucratic govt. agency that needs to justify it's existance.

Pretty soon they'll be making sanctuarys on highways where fatal accidents ocurred and outlawing the sale of used car parts if they came from a fatal wreck.

But of course none of this really matters because when diesel hits $20.00 a gallon only the bureaucrats will be able to dive .... on the tax payers nickel of course.

EricD · 8th July 2008, 15:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe)

This (US) *USED TO BE* the land of the free. We are slowly becoming the land of everything is illegal unless it is micro managed by some bureaucratic govt. agency that needs to justify it's existance.

Pretty soon they'll be making sanctuarys on highways where fatal accidents ocurred and outlawing the sale of used car parts if they came from a fatal wreck.

But of course none of this really matters because when diesel hits $20.00 a gallon only the bureaucrats will be able to dive .... on the tax payers nickel of course.

Any chance that this is a back-door attempt to force LOST into effect? To the *best of my knowledge* this was stalled in the Senate last year. May be a reach and I may be wrong, but it came to mind.

I am with everyone else that this development is completely unnecessary as I don't understand what they think they'll see and find that hasn't already been seen and found. This does have the potential to impact the mid-Atlantic charter boats and us divers who enjoy the service they provide; though one has to wonder for how much longer given the cost of fuel and no real end in sight

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Mdemon · 8th July 2008, 20:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe)

This (US) *USED TO BE* the land of the free. We are slowly becoming the land of everything is illegal unless it is micro managed by some bureaucratic govt. agency that needs to justify it's existance.

Pretty soon they'll be making sanctuarys on highways where fatal accidents ocurred and outlawing the sale of used car parts if they came from a fatal wreck.

But of course none of this really matters because when diesel hits $20.00 a gallon only the bureaucrats will be able to dive .... on the tax payers nickel of course.

I was about to suggest you come over here - but then I realise we're in the same situation. Right now, a "tidy up" of recent fisheries conservation is neatly, and almost silently, going to ban all spearfishing in UK waters with no consultation and no apparent request to do so. Lumped in with changes made to restrict "destructive fishing methods". So, eliminate the most sustainable form of fishing there is, criminalise at a stroke normally law-abiding citizens and cost the country £???? when this pointless section of fisheries law has to be enforced because some hippy-type dobs someone in!

Disgusted of England

Offgas · 9th July 2008, 05:15

I think you're all jumping to conclusions.

Offgas

barney · 9th July 2008, 13:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Offgas)

I think you're all jumping to conclusions.

Offgas

...about the expansion of the MONITOR NMS?
Sorry, but that's definitely in the works.

hchoat · 9th July 2008, 15:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by barney)

...about the expansion of the MONITOR NMS?
Sorry, but that's definitely in the works.

Lovely...

Keep us updated, will you? Not that letters, etc. do much, but at least you can try.....

8th July 2008, 10:56	#1 (permalink)
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8th July 2008, 11:13	#2 (permalink)
Joe Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 247	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by jiseson) NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War II That's a few more wrecks they'll make national monuments out of and we won't be permitted on without a "special permit". The nation is going broke and they are pissing away money playing .... our tax dollars at work.
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8th July 2008, 12:57	#3 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Living on Animal Farm Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe) That's a few more wrecks they'll make national monuments out of and we won't be permitted on without a "special permit". The nation is going broke and they are pissing away money playing .... our tax dollars at work. Absolutely agreed 110%. What a waste of resources. There's zero to learn about any of the three subs... just zero. "Marine Life"? It's exactly the same as what's on every other piece of detritus on the bottom there. I cannot believe that anyone funded this. If anything, it'll put the location of U-701 into the "really" public domain and will ensure more rapid "exploration" after the survey ends. So far the location has been "quietly kept". That'll end. What a shame. As for U-85 and U-352: With literally tens of thousands of dives having been done on them already, WTF do they expect to find? "War Graves"? With all due respect, they have been destination tourist-dives for 30 years. Any "respect' for them as war graves is about 40 years too late. Dave . __________________ On a diving safari for a few months... will likely not read PM's... so email me at RedStarAviation at GMail dot Com to find me......
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8th July 2008, 13:46	#4 (permalink)
barney Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 263	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS. __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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8th July 2008, 14:29	#5 (permalink)
Joe Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 247	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by barney) The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS. This (US) USED TO BE the land of the free. We are slowly becoming the land of everything is illegal unless it is micro managed by some bureaucratic govt. agency that needs to justify it's existance. Pretty soon they'll be making sanctuarys on highways where fatal accidents ocurred and outlawing the sale of used car parts if they came from a fatal wreck. But of course none of this really matters because when diesel hits $20.00 a gallon only the bureaucrats will be able to dive .... on the tax payers nickel of course.
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8th July 2008, 15:04	#6 (permalink)
EricD New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 16	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe) This (US) USED TO BE the land of the free. We are slowly becoming the land of everything is illegal unless it is micro managed by some bureaucratic govt. agency that needs to justify it's existance. Pretty soon they'll be making sanctuarys on highways where fatal accidents ocurred and outlawing the sale of used car parts if they came from a fatal wreck. But of course none of this really matters because when diesel hits $20.00 a gallon only the bureaucrats will be able to dive .... on the tax payers nickel of course. Any chance that this is a back-door attempt to force LOST into effect? To the best of my knowledge this was stalled in the Senate last year. May be a reach and I may be wrong, but it came to mind. I am with everyone else that this development is completely unnecessary as I don't understand what they think they'll see and find that hasn't already been seen and found. This does have the potential to impact the mid-Atlantic charter boats and us divers who enjoy the service they provide; though one has to wonder for how much longer given the cost of fuel and no real end in sight . __________________ Classic KISS #317
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Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,903	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe) This (US) USED TO BE the land of the free. We are slowly becoming the land of everything is illegal unless it is micro managed by some bureaucratic govt. agency that needs to justify it's existance. Pretty soon they'll be making sanctuarys on highways where fatal accidents ocurred and outlawing the sale of used car parts if they came from a fatal wreck. But of course none of this really matters because when diesel hits $20.00 a gallon only the bureaucrats will be able to dive .... on the tax payers nickel of course. I was about to suggest you come over here - but then I realise we're in the same situation. Right now, a "tidy up" of recent fisheries conservation is neatly, and almost silently, going to ban all spearfishing in UK waters with no consultation and no apparent request to do so. Lumped in with changes made to restrict "destructive fishing methods". So, eliminate the most sustainable form of fishing there is, criminalise at a stroke normally law-abiding citizens and cost the country £???? when this pointless section of fisheries law has to be enforced because some hippy-type dobs someone in! Disgusted of England __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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Offgas New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 90	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War I think you're all jumping to conclusions. Offgas
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barney Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 263	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Offgas) I think you're all jumping to conclusions. Offgas ...about the expansion of the MONITOR NMS? Sorry, but that's definitely in the works. __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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hchoat Resident Selkie Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL- USA Posts: 226	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by barney) ...about the expansion of the MONITOR NMS? Sorry, but that's definitely in the works. Lovely... Keep us updated, will you? Not that letters, etc. do much, but at least you can try..... __________________ Duct tape is like the force... it has a light side and dark side, and it holds the universe together.
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