NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War II

diverreb · 9th July 2008, 17:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

I was about to suggest you come over here - but then I realise we're in the same situation. Right now, a "tidy up" of recent fisheries conservation is neatly, and almost silently, going to ban all spearfishing in UK waters with no consultation and no apparent request to do so. Lumped in with changes made to restrict "destructive fishing methods". So, eliminate the most sustainable form of fishing there is, criminalise at a stroke normally law-abiding citizens and cost the country £???? when this pointless section of fisheries law has to be enforced because some hippy-type dobs someone in!

Disgusted of England

It makes perfect sense..... It's obvious Spear Fishing, that takes maybe a few thousand fish a year, is the root cause of low fish stocks... It couldn't possibly be the commercial interests that scoop up every living thing in the path of their Trawl Nets over thousands of miles of Ocean.

I guess you just don't get it... It's the new math!

Richie

Benthic · 9th July 2008, 17:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by barney)

The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS.

What a crock! Thanks for the info Barney! I certainly hope that this doesn't gain momentum. The last thing we need is more red tape getting in the way of diving.

Brian

Alexv · 9th July 2008, 18:21

The Monitor Marine Sanctuary Council meetings are generally held in Newport News VA and are open to the public. There is always a public comment period and they have been open to ideas. Historically there has been a very low attendance by divers. Usually me and one or two other divers attend and make our comments. I suggest divers get involved at the meetings and make your views known to them.

amberjack · 10th July 2008, 02:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by barney)

The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS.

As if high fuel prices weren't enough, now this ugly development. I guess NOAA and the Navy trashed the Monitor site so thoroughly that they need other wrecks off Hatteras to "preserve."

**Dave Sutton** · 10th July 2008, 13:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by Offgas)

I think you're all jumping to conclusions.

Offgas

Hey Buddy:

Tell me that you'll be out here for the dives?

Dave

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Offgas · 11th July 2008, 03:02

Dave,

I've shot you a couple PMs, but no reply. I'm west coast currently. Finishing up classes for my 3rd Mate Unlimited. Cel. Nav next two weeks and I'm done! BUT I'm either out to the NW Hawaiian Islands for a month or AK. So I probably won't be back on the east coast till September, still gonna have the boat around then? I hear you got a lot of neat toys that I'd love to see...

Best,
Offgas

**Dave Sutton** · 11th July 2008, 03:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by Offgas)

Cel. Nav next two weeks and I'm done!

HO 229 or 249? Have both aboard as well as both sextant and chronometer, so you can demo when we see you next!

I'm a 229 man, myself....

Dave

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zoo_diver · 11th July 2008, 04:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Alexv)

The Monitor Marine Sanctuary Council meetings are generally held in Newport News VA and are open to the public. There is always a public comment period and they have been open to ideas. Historically there has been a very low attendance by divers. Usually me and one or two other divers attend and make our comments. I suggest divers get involved at the meetings and make your views known to them.

I would be more than glad to join the crowd. I live out is Suffolk. How often and where do these folks get together? Are you on the VBTech forum?Bryan

zoo_diver · 11th July 2008, 04:14

I think this is great! I love seeing my tax dollars getting thrown around like this. My only question is: How do I get on one of these trips? Me, Al Gore and some polar bears are going link-up with Code Pink, come down there protest all you divers tearing up these wrecks. Just kidding -- I don't know any polar bears.

barney · 11th July 2008, 04:15

Yeah, I was jumping to conclusions...
2008 Battle of the Atlantic Expedition

Quote: (Originally Posted by NOAA)

The data collected may in the future allow for the implementation of policy that will mitigate impact and degradation to the sites but will in no way exclude anyone who wishes to experience this part of their history first hand.

This is part one of a multi-year project. Though this year’s focus is on U-boats due to concern over looting, Allied vessels lost during the Battle of the Atlantic are also a primary objective for study. They will be the focus of subsequent research and fieldwork, however, some allied vessels will be visited during this year's field expedition in order to formulate a similar document for future projects.

What is interesting is that the original discoverer of the U-701 kept the coordinates quiet, and though others stumbled across the wreck in 2003-2004, the numbers were not widely distributed, but here NOAA goes ahead and publishes the numbers!

In case anyone is interested, here are the questions they hope to answer during this year's project:

Quote: (Originally Posted by NOAA)

Do the historical descriptions of the sinking events match the condition of the sunken vessels? Do the historical descriptions of the sinking locations match the sunken vessels? Are the sites in question Type 7-B and Type 7-C WWII era German U-boats? Can the sites be identified and are they the U-352, U-701, and U-85? Are alterations to the hull structure due to the sinking event, site formations processes, or divers? And finally, do the sites warrant further investigation?

9th July 2008, 17:01	#11 (permalink)
diverreb DE/MD/NJ Wreck Diver Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dover, DE Posts: 672	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) I was about to suggest you come over here - but then I realise we're in the same situation. Right now, a "tidy up" of recent fisheries conservation is neatly, and almost silently, going to ban all spearfishing in UK waters with no consultation and no apparent request to do so. Lumped in with changes made to restrict "destructive fishing methods". So, eliminate the most sustainable form of fishing there is, criminalise at a stroke normally law-abiding citizens and cost the country £???? when this pointless section of fisheries law has to be enforced because some hippy-type dobs someone in! Disgusted of England It makes perfect sense..... It's obvious Spear Fishing, that takes maybe a few thousand fish a year, is the root cause of low fish stocks... It couldn't possibly be the commercial interests that scoop up every living thing in the path of their Trawl Nets over thousands of miles of Ocean. I guess you just don't get it... It's the new math! Richie
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9th July 2008, 17:26	#12 (permalink)
Benthic MEGalomaniac Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pensacola, FL USA Posts: 226	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by barney) The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS. What a crock! Thanks for the info Barney! I certainly hope that this doesn't gain momentum. The last thing we need is more red tape getting in the way of diving. Brian __________________ Well lit rooms will not repel determined beer ninjas.
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9th July 2008, 18:21	#13 (permalink)
Alexv New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Optima Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War The Monitor Marine Sanctuary Council meetings are generally held in Newport News VA and are open to the public. There is always a public comment period and they have been open to ideas. Historically there has been a very low attendance by divers. Usually me and one or two other divers attend and make our comments. I suggest divers get involved at the meetings and make your views known to them.
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10th July 2008, 02:57	#14 (permalink)
amberjack New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 11	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by barney) The impetus for this is likely to get baseline data to support/rationalize the expansion of the Monitor NMS. For those that don't know, there is an effort to expand the NMS beyond management of the USS MONITOR into the "Graveyard of the Atlantic National Marine Sanctuary." Nothing definitive yet as far as boundaries or prohibitions/regulations, but everything could be on the table (closed areas, research-only areas, recreational access permits, etc.); just look at what has been going on at Stellwagen NMS. As if high fuel prices weren't enough, now this ugly development. I guess NOAA and the Navy trashed the Monitor site so thoroughly that they need other wrecks off Hatteras to "preserve."
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10th July 2008, 13:37	#15 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Offgas) I think you're all jumping to conclusions. Offgas Hey Buddy: Tell me that you'll be out here for the dives? Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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11th July 2008, 03:02	#16 (permalink)
Offgas New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 90	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Dave, I've shot you a couple PMs, but no reply. I'm west coast currently. Finishing up classes for my 3rd Mate Unlimited. Cel. Nav next two weeks and I'm done! BUT I'm either out to the NW Hawaiian Islands for a month or AK. So I probably won't be back on the east coast till September, still gonna have the boat around then? I hear you got a lot of neat toys that I'd love to see... Best, Offgas
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11th July 2008, 03:28	#17 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Offgas) Cel. Nav next two weeks and I'm done! HO 229 or 249? Have both aboard as well as both sextant and chronometer, so you can demo when we see you next! I'm a 229 man, myself.... Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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11th July 2008, 04:04	#18 (permalink)
zoo_diver Is it snack time yet? Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Suffolk, VA Posts: 259	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Quote: (Originally Posted by Alexv) The Monitor Marine Sanctuary Council meetings are generally held in Newport News VA and are open to the public. There is always a public comment period and they have been open to ideas. Historically there has been a very low attendance by divers. Usually me and one or two other divers attend and make our comments. I suggest divers get involved at the meetings and make your views known to them. I would be more than glad to join the crowd. I live out is Suffolk. How often and where do these folks get together? Are you on the VBTech forum?Bryan
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11th July 2008, 04:14	#19 (permalink)
zoo_diver Is it snack time yet? Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Suffolk, VA Posts: 259	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War I think this is great! I love seeing my tax dollars getting thrown around like this. My only question is: How do I get on one of these trips? Me, Al Gore and some polar bears are going link-up with Code Pink, come down there protest all you divers tearing up these wrecks. Just kidding -- I don't know any polar bears.
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11th July 2008, 04:15	#20 (permalink)
barney EXPLORER Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 294	Re: NOAA and Partners to Explore German Subs Sunk off North Carolina During World War Yeah, I was jumping to conclusions... 2008 Battle of the Atlantic Expedition Quote: (Originally Posted by NOAA) The data collected may in the future allow for the implementation of policy that will mitigate impact and degradation to the sites but will in no way exclude anyone who wishes to experience this part of their history first hand. This is part one of a multi-year project. Though this year’s focus is on U-boats due to concern over looting, Allied vessels lost during the Battle of the Atlantic are also a primary objective for study. They will be the focus of subsequent research and fieldwork, however, some allied vessels will be visited during this year's field expedition in order to formulate a similar document for future projects. What is interesting is that the original discoverer of the U-701 kept the coordinates quiet, and though others stumbled across the wreck in 2003-2004, the numbers were not widely distributed, but here NOAA goes ahead and publishes the numbers! In case anyone is interested, here are the questions they hope to answer during this year's project: Quote: (Originally Posted by NOAA) Do the historical descriptions of the sinking events match the condition of the sunken vessels? Do the historical descriptions of the sinking locations match the sunken vessels? Are the sites in question Type 7-B and Type 7-C WWII era German U-boats? Can the sites be identified and are they the U-352, U-701, and U-85? Are alterations to the hull structure due to the sinking event, site formations processes, or divers? And finally, do the sites warrant further investigation? __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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