Record Dive during Dynamic Dive Exhibition Lago Maggiore

gerstl_ossi

Wow, very impressive. Congratulation guys.
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Lancer4545

Congratulations to the whole team for a fantastic result!!

There is not a lot known about very deep dives and specially not with rebreathers so each successful dive is a milestone in it's own right.

WELL DONE to everyone involved.

Lance

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A tremendous feat, the logistical aspect alone must have been a nightmare.

Very, very, well done, nice to know that the Ouroboros can handle this.

Congratulations.

Dave Cooper.

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Drmike

what more would you like? How is a deep/long cave dive anything more than an exercise is technology and organisation? As I always say about our expeditions, the actual diving is often the easy part of an expedition - its the planning logistics organisation, manageament , filling and staging all the bail tanks, setting up all the equipment - thats often the biggest challange and hardest part (and part most time is spent on)


since when does a dive need to have a purpose or to accomplish something in order for it to be considered a dive? Jump in, swim around a bit and come back up is as good a purpose as any as far as I can see.

what is the reason we do any dive? do we need to justify it to others? Why stay longer than 2mins? just so Ben considers this a real 'dive' Why climb everest without oxygen? why do it with an artificial leg, why not spend a week camped ontop of everest? why sit there at 233m ongassing?

re: the use of a bell shallower: SOP where possible on deep cave dives is to use a habitat - is that ok? is it still a scuba dive?
if i do a ccr dive am i allowed to go oc in the habitat and to the surface? can i still call it a Rebreather dive? Gosh I didnt realise its so strict. I think your getting a bit carried away with semantics


why on EARTH do you find it insulting?? and who is it insulting/hurting? Have you actually looked at what crap apears in the guiness book of records? Who the hell cares??



Your far too lightly dismissing this point so ill emphasise it on Pims behalf if he doesnt mind.

Big dives are damned expensive. Anyone doing big dives and expeds are often heavily sponsored. The sponsors want their pound of flesh, they want advertising. As everyone knows in the world of marketting its all about catchy headlines and words like 'records' or 'firsts' are banded around THATS just part of the marketting circus. You may not like it but those that need to find sponsors (and keep them happy) have little choice but to 'speak the marketting language'. Whenever Ive spoken to marketting people they always want to know 'is it a record?' 'is it a 1st'

Dont hate the player - hate the game.




again this is simply not true. We know a lot about sat diving to these depths. we know how that works we know a lot about sat deco and procedures, the equipment used, the processes and methodology. What these guys did we know very little about and that is deep bounce diving (which effectively what all (but longests cave) scuba dives are) Sure avergae joe diver isnt going to gain anything from this dive - but just about everyone doing v deep (and by definition 'bounce') dives will look at what these guys did, how they did it, what worked, what didnt. Many will gain knowledge from such a dive, who will gain and how much will they gain from your last dive????? Thats the difference.

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mathias

Very nice dive, congratulations to mario, alessandro and pim !

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jamiemac

I hope the wreck wasn't disturbed so future generations of divers can enjoy it..........blah blah

only kidding, great acheivement however you look at it

Jamie MV Trident

Ben Field

Agreed- So the record is for the most well organised amature operation?

Be serious- no one, least of all me is knocking the extreme nature of the planning, logistics etc of this.

Okay then, agreed.... shame they didn't even do that then isn't it?

Well lets hope this never gets in there as a SCUBA diving record because it clearly isn't.

I'm a diver, I don't like anything that reduces my hobby to trivial numbers- (or worst still- a sport) As such depth records IMO, suck. Might as well line up these "heros" and measure their wedding tackle for all I care about how deep the went.

They start off by banging on about; documenting, commemorating and researching then come back swaggering about using seige tactics to complete a single dive (something clearly at odd with the goals)

Lastly it is (IMVHO) an expensive stunt to publisice the DDE show.

If I where to foolishly stray into someone elses field of expertise and claim some outlandish record they would rightly mock my accomplishment


I couldn't possibly have said it better, thanks Mike.

As such anyone who bends over for their sponsor, rather than leveling abit of reality in the direction of these jokers is as you say- Playing the game. Marketting is BS, the only people who believe it work in Marketting, in the real world you need an actual achievment or superb product to make sales.

Hence my comment about embarrasing the sponsor, sponsors want legitimate wins and achievments to advertise with... if they where hoping these "records" would be to there advantage then I think they where mistaken.

Again, just IMVHO, no need to get upset about it is there?

Lets not get personal, I have never claimed to be researching anything as such what could be learnt from my last dive is not important, nor would I be foolish enough to claim it.

What knowledge can we gain from a single dive? Okay so we know you can do 2mins at 233mtrs then dry decompress in a bell... well didn't we already know that because they've just done it without issue?

There is no mention in the report of the dive itself, the research done throughout or the expected results and how they may be useful. How much reseach can ever be done with a single event? Its not like they tried various profiles and times over several dives, at different tempratures, with different gas mixes is it?

I would hope that future deep divers do learn from this, obviously it was a safe and successful dive but they've strayed so far into the world of commercial diving its not a record nor is it relavent.

Look at the original post-
"On May 10th 2008 Mario Marconi, Alessandro Scuotto and Pim van der Horst have set some new records for technical diving (according to the organization of the Dynamic Dive Exhibition) in Lago Maggiore, Italy.
The records are deepest wreck dive (wreck of the Milano), deepest cold water dive, deepest team dive. All deep divers used Ouroboros eCCR. And that alone makes it a record in the categories mentionned above. Extended video reporting can be found on: index under DDE news. The official depth of the dive is 236 mtrs (as measured by the fire department with a ROV). The VR3 of Pim indicated 233 mtrs. Bottom gas was 6/80. Bottom SP 1.4, deco SP 1.5. A big part of the deco was in a bell (pure O2 on 12 mtrs). Total CNS was about 23,000% (yes: you read it correctly...). Total runtime almost 8 hours."

6 record claims
0 research claims
0 documentation claims
0 commemorative claims

Its is a superb and cracking achievment and in my opinion it was a record attempt and publicity stunt, I'm entitled to my own opinion, Mike makes some excellent points and he is completely entitled to his opinion as well.

I don't really want to argue with anyone here but I do think I should be entitled to my opinion even if no one else agrees, if I was clearly wrong that would be another matter... but clearly this isn't a right/wrong scenario.

Pim, sorry if I've offended you or your fellow bottom divers but I don't believe you can call this a SCUBA record of any type and I don't think you should. Just IMVHO.

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Mike Costanzo

Records not withstanding. Its nice to be able to accomplish a dive like that.

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jkaterenchuk

Thank you for posting this accomplishment.

What planning software did you use?

John

Drmike

lol!

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