Andrea Doria?

Dave Sutton · 27th March 2008, 11:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan)

It sure would be sweet to be able to find that same location once more Dave - more to be done in that area me think

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Andre

I can put the chain within 10 feet fo where we were. YOUR job is to tie it thru the same porthole and to send back last years mooring chain and caribiner on the lift bag so we can use it in 2009....

. AFAIK the chain and whatever is left of the mooring is still there, as it was re-used last year but not retrieved at the end of the season.

Portholes.... Portholes....Portholes......
(Did I mention that Captain and Mate need a window for the front door of the new house?)

Dave

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Benthic · 27th March 2008, 11:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

<snip>
Be careful.... this ain't Florida. More than one 'furriner' has come here and gone home on the swim platform face-first in his sleeping bag.
<snip>

Please...

Because none of the local folks from the Northeast have ever died on the Doria, right?

Come to think of it, I guess that means that when them Northeast folks come down to Florida, they find the conditions so benign that they couldn't possibly hurt themselves here.

Can we get a shovel in here?

Brian

mempilot · 27th March 2008, 12:35

Thank you everyone for your replies.

While I'm not booked with Dave's outfit for this trip, I'm sure I would have had a great time with.

As for conditions, this will not be the deepest dive I've done. It will be the coldest. Viz? We've all seen pea soup. Distance from shore, while defineatly the furthest out I've dived, by no means have all other dives been benign. As for current, well, there is plenty of strong current down here in S FL to have cut our teeth on. The big thing for me on this dive is putting it all together.

The Doria was a goal for me for many years. However, the desire to dive her faded over time as my experience grew. An opportunity came knocking, as I was not looking. It gives me a chance to dive a wreck that is an icon with a diver that I respect deeply for their accomplishments. I couldn't say no.

Thanks to those that posted insight and tips. I look forward to reading more posts about the same.

Eric

zzzzzzzz · 27th March 2008, 14:54

Hi Dave,

What sort of bailout strategy is preferred for diving the Doria using CCRs'.

Thanks,

z

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

I can put the chain within 10 feet fo where we were. YOUR job is to tie it thru the same porthole and to send back last years mooring chain and caribiner on the lift bag so we can use it in 2009....

. AFAIK the chain and whatever is left of the mooring is still there, as it was re-used last year but not retrieved at the end of the season.

Portholes.... Portholes....Portholes......
(Did I mention that Captain and Mate need a window for the front door of the new house?)

Dave

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**fireman** · 27th March 2008, 22:08

More China this summer, Captain my Captain...

Dave Sutton · 28th March 2008, 01:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by zzzzzzzz)

Hi Dave,

What sort of bailout strategy is preferred for diving the Doria using CCRs'.

Thanks,

z

I can't speak for any other boat, but aboard EXPLORER, we:

Drop a 100 pound clump weight straight down from the davit at the entrance, with a crossover line at about 100 feet to the mooring line. Diver jumps in, hand on line, and makes descent down to the clump. Saves loads of struggle in the current, and allows us to do the followin:

20 feet down on the descent line we have (2) open circuit regulators fed by surface supplied 02 (2 J Bottles) for emergency deco.

At the clump weight, we stage a bottle of rich trimix (50% 02) for emergency "grab and deco"

At the tie-in to the wreck, we stage another 80 of 20% 02 trimix in case of need.

Divers each carry bailout, typically a single alu-80, sometimes two. Depends on the diver.

Although we do tow a RIB boat for emergency diver-chase, if you come up off of the mooring and we need to chase you down we gladly charge a $1000 "Thanks for making my mate go to sea 130 miles offshore in a small outboard rubber boat to chase your sorry ass down for 2 hours and 3 miles of drift thru the shipping lanes" fee....payable directly to the mate.

. Divers WILL come up the mooring, and we stage all sorts of gas to make things safe. AFAIK, no other boat here does anything like this with staged gas. On the basic cattle-car it's not like this.

Dave

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zzzzzzzz · 28th March 2008, 01:55

Hi Dave,

Thank you very much for the reply, it is appreciated. Nice way to execute.

Always a pleasure.

z

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

I can't speak for any other boat, but aboard EXPLORER, we:

Drop a 100 pound clump weight straight down from the davit at the entrance, with a crossover line at about 100 feet to the mooring line. Diver jumps in, hand on line, and makes descent down to the clump. Saves loads of struggle in the current, and allows us to do the followin:

20 feet down on the descent line we have (2) open circuit regulators fed by surface supplied 02 (2 J Bottles) for emergency deco.

At the clump weight, we stage a bottle of rich trimix (50% 02) for emergency "grab and deco"

At the tie-in to the wreck, we stage another 80 of 20% 02 trimix in case of need.

Divers each carry bailout, typically a single alu-80, sometimes two. Depends on the diver.

Although we do tow a RIB boat for emergency diver-chase, if you come up off of the mooring and we need to chase you down we gladly charge a $1000 "Thanks for making my mate go to sea 130 miles offshore in a small outboard rubber boat to chase your sorry ass down for 2 hours and 3 miles of drift thru the shipping lanes" fee....payable directly to the mate.

. Divers WILL come up the mooring, and we stage all sorts of gas to make things safe. AFAIK, no other boat here does anything like this with staged gas. On the basic cattle-car it's not like this.

Dave

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**kybrt** · 28th March 2008, 02:55

eric,

be careful. its easy to get this wrek into your blood. then youll want to dive it every year. its the whole reason i went to ccr in the first place.

Dave 2009 i am going back, hopefully i can clear out 9 days in a row from work.

mempilot · 28th March 2008, 03:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by kybrt)

eric,

be careful. its easy to get this wrek into your blood. then youll want to dive it every year. its the whole reason i went to ccr in the first place.

Dave 2009 i am going back, hopefully i can clear out 9 days in a row from work.

Marv,

You coming back down to FL this year at all? I'm thinking about hosting a trip out to the Oriskany.

Eric

**kybrt** · 28th March 2008, 03:48

no plans yet. i have three int'l trips going<cayman,bonaire,scapa> plus now the pre dema san diego trip.

let me know if/when you go,maybe maybe.......

btw, there might be a seat for scapa if your interested..............

27th March 2008, 11:01	#11 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: Andrea Doria? Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan) It sure would be sweet to be able to find that same location once more Dave - more to be done in that area me think. Andre I can put the chain within 10 feet fo where we were. YOUR job is to tie it thru the same porthole and to send back last years mooring chain and caribiner on the lift bag so we can use it in 2009.... . AFAIK the chain and whatever is left of the mooring is still there, as it was re-used last year but not retrieved at the end of the season. Portholes.... Portholes....Portholes...... (Did I mention that Captain and Mate need a window for the front door of the new house?) Dave .
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27th March 2008, 11:23	#12 (permalink)
Benthic MEGalomaniac Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pensacola, FL USA Posts: 222	Re: Andrea Doria? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) <snip> Be careful.... this ain't Florida. More than one 'furriner' has come here and gone home on the swim platform face-first in his sleeping bag. <snip> Please... Because none of the local folks from the Northeast have ever died on the Doria, right? Come to think of it, I guess that means that when them Northeast folks come down to Florida, they find the conditions so benign that they couldn't possibly hurt themselves here. Can we get a shovel in here? Brian __________________ Well lit rooms will not repel determined beer ninjas.
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27th March 2008, 12:35	#13 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,269	Re: Andrea Doria? Thank you everyone for your replies. While I'm not booked with Dave's outfit for this trip, I'm sure I would have had a great time with. As for conditions, this will not be the deepest dive I've done. It will be the coldest. Viz? We've all seen pea soup. Distance from shore, while defineatly the furthest out I've dived, by no means have all other dives been benign. As for current, well, there is plenty of strong current down here in S FL to have cut our teeth on. The big thing for me on this dive is putting it all together. The Doria was a goal for me for many years. However, the desire to dive her faded over time as my experience grew. An opportunity came knocking, as I was not looking. It gives me a chance to dive a wreck that is an icon with a diver that I respect deeply for their accomplishments. I couldn't say no. Thanks to those that posted insight and tips. I look forward to reading more posts about the same. Eric __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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27th March 2008, 14:54	#14 (permalink)
zzzzzzzz New Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 79	Re: Andrea Doria? Hi Dave, What sort of bailout strategy is preferred for diving the Doria using CCRs'. Thanks, z Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) I can put the chain within 10 feet fo where we were. YOUR job is to tie it thru the same porthole and to send back last years mooring chain and caribiner on the lift bag so we can use it in 2009.... . AFAIK the chain and whatever is left of the mooring is still there, as it was re-used last year but not retrieved at the end of the season. Portholes.... Portholes....Portholes...... (Did I mention that Captain and Mate need a window for the front door of the new house?) Dave . __________________ z
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27th March 2008, 22:08	#15 (permalink)
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28th March 2008, 01:27	#16 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: Andrea Doria? Quote: (Originally Posted by zzzzzzzz) Hi Dave, What sort of bailout strategy is preferred for diving the Doria using CCRs'. Thanks, z I can't speak for any other boat, but aboard EXPLORER, we: Drop a 100 pound clump weight straight down from the davit at the entrance, with a crossover line at about 100 feet to the mooring line. Diver jumps in, hand on line, and makes descent down to the clump. Saves loads of struggle in the current, and allows us to do the followin: 20 feet down on the descent line we have (2) open circuit regulators fed by surface supplied 02 (2 J Bottles) for emergency deco. At the clump weight, we stage a bottle of rich trimix (50% 02) for emergency "grab and deco" At the tie-in to the wreck, we stage another 80 of 20% 02 trimix in case of need. Divers each carry bailout, typically a single alu-80, sometimes two. Depends on the diver. Although we do tow a RIB boat for emergency diver-chase, if you come up off of the mooring and we need to chase you down we gladly charge a $1000 "Thanks for making my mate go to sea 130 miles offshore in a small outboard rubber boat to chase your sorry ass down for 2 hours and 3 miles of drift thru the shipping lanes" fee....payable directly to the mate. . Divers WILL come up the mooring, and we stage all sorts of gas to make things safe. AFAIK, no other boat here does anything like this with staged gas. On the basic cattle-car it's not like this. Dave . Last edited by Dave Sutton : 28th March 2008 at 01:39.
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28th March 2008, 01:55	#17 (permalink)
zzzzzzzz New Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 79	Re: Andrea Doria? Hi Dave, Thank you very much for the reply, it is appreciated. Nice way to execute. Always a pleasure. z Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) I can't speak for any other boat, but aboard EXPLORER, we: Drop a 100 pound clump weight straight down from the davit at the entrance, with a crossover line at about 100 feet to the mooring line. Diver jumps in, hand on line, and makes descent down to the clump. Saves loads of struggle in the current, and allows us to do the followin: 20 feet down on the descent line we have (2) open circuit regulators fed by surface supplied 02 (2 J Bottles) for emergency deco. At the clump weight, we stage a bottle of rich trimix (50% 02) for emergency "grab and deco" At the tie-in to the wreck, we stage another 80 of 20% 02 trimix in case of need. Divers each carry bailout, typically a single alu-80, sometimes two. Depends on the diver. Although we do tow a RIB boat for emergency diver-chase, if you come up off of the mooring and we need to chase you down we gladly charge a $1000 "Thanks for making my mate go to sea 130 miles offshore in a small outboard rubber boat to chase your sorry ass down for 2 hours and 3 miles of drift thru the shipping lanes" fee....payable directly to the mate. . Divers WILL come up the mooring, and we stage all sorts of gas to make things safe. AFAIK, no other boat here does anything like this with staged gas. On the basic cattle-car it's not like this. Dave . __________________ z
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28th March 2008, 03:41	#19 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,269	Re: Andrea Doria? Quote: (Originally Posted by kybrt) eric, be careful. its easy to get this wrek into your blood. then youll want to dive it every year. its the whole reason i went to ccr in the first place. Dave 2009 i am going back, hopefully i can clear out 9 days in a row from work. Marv, You coming back down to FL this year at all? I'm thinking about hosting a trip out to the Oriskany. Eric __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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kybrt too legit to quit Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Neuw Yawk Posts: 324	Re: Andrea Doria? no plans yet. i have three int'l trips going<cayman,bonaire,scapa> plus now the pre dema san diego trip. let me know if/when you go,maybe maybe....... btw, there might be a seat for scapa if your interested.............. __________________ Marv Fidelis Ad Mortem www.diveboatkaren.com
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