Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece

***Decodiver*** · 9th April 2007, 16:01

I agree fully Spyros, if one day it is diveable it could be a great tourist attraction.

Cheers,

Dave.

PaulTG2 · 9th April 2007, 17:40

Hello,

This is a good discussion to have...

First, there is a suspected loss of life. No one knows where they are. The most likely is on the boat but history is full of stories where people like that turn up alive someplace else... and stories where they don't.

I don't think talking about diving on the wreck is disrespectful in any way. If it makes you uncomfortable to read about diving the Sea Diamond this close to the sinking, and possible deaths, then you might want to refrain from opening a discussion thread in the "Rebreather Wreck Diving" board that has a message title "Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece".

I imagine every salvage diving company started writing bids the moment they heard the news. I can't see why private divers would be any different.

One thing to consider though... beside the dangers of the angle of the ship and bottom (side?) is that it isn't the nice clean wreck most of us are used to. May hazmat issues are involved which we are not used to that commercial divers are. I expect it would be very easy to pickup something nasty.

--p

tekdiver170 · 9th April 2007, 17:52

This type of tragedy as sick as it can be is every wreck divers dream; a huge diving playground. Since it is a "real" wreck site and not an artificial reef it is not against the norm to have casualties with the accident.

Many of you are saying that since people died and their bodies have not been recovered then the wreck should not be dived. I guess this means most of the world class and most sought after wreck dives around the world should be closed to diving, all the wrecks in Truk, Andrea Doria, Empress of Ireland the list goes on.

But I do believe we need to wait for the proper channels to release the wreck. Maybe it would be best if the bodies were not recovered, because then this wreck can be determined a grave site where looting and removing items are prohibited. Sorry guys with dollar signs in your eyes, I have always followed the, "take nothing but pictures philosophy."

barney · 9th April 2007, 22:55

If anyone is interested, I am adding updates of this incident to the revised AUE website. I also put up a map from referenced bathymetric charts for this general area, which indicate the 100-m contour runs close to shore, but then it maxes out at 155 m.

AUE: ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS

Cheers,
Mike

JOHNU · 10th April 2007, 02:05

Not trying to pick any fights but I would dive her now if I could. I have read all of the posts and have tried to be objective in the opinions given but I just don't see how it would be unethical to dive now. With this exception. You interupt or inhibit the search/recovery in some way. If diving her now would do this then I would stay away (obviously it does seem a bit early to avoid doing this).

Many of us think of the bounty sure, what does that have to do with the missing? Respect? So if you dive it DO NOT be disrespectful of remains you will never find. Statistically speaking of course.

It is a tragedy that these people were lost but as stated before many natural wrecks have death associated with them and have bodies on them to this day. So what time frame makes it "OK" to go 2 days 1yr 10yrs. A funeral? The governments green light? The insurance companies? The loss is still there no matter who says its ok to go. I don't mean to sound heartless I am far from it but no matter who says "ok" it is a personal choice. Just like pulling crap from wrecks. Some do, some don't, some care, some get pissed about getting there too late.

This discussion seems to have been blown out of proportion and turned around as though those of us even thinking about pulling/finding some cool things are heartless JACKOFFS because there has not been a recovery. BS we do not stop driving down a patch of road for 2yrs because some one went missing on it. I could give many other examples of this but I am sure you get the point.

It doesn't hurt to think of the possibilities it could and does hold. Hell, I see nice ships sailing along quite often that I think would be great to dive. It doesn't mean I want that capt. to lose his ship or anyone to get hurt. It is just the detatched human element that exists in most of us I guess.

In any event if someone can get a dive together on it and needs to fill spots count me in (yeah right like it would be hard to fill spots).

Just my 2

John U.

I know to some I am an A**HOLE so save it!

Outlaw · 10th April 2007, 09:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by JOHNU)

Not trying to pick any fights but I would dive her now if I could. I have read all of the posts and have tried to be objective in the opinions given but I just don't see how it would be unethical to dive now. With this exception. You interupt or inhibit the search/recovery in some way. If diving her now would do this then I would stay away (obviously it does seem a bit early to avoid doing this).

Many of us think of the bounty sure, what does that have to do with the missing? Respect? So if you dive it DO NOT be disrespectful of remains you will never find. Statistically speaking of course.

It is a tragedy that these people were lost but as stated before many natural wrecks have death associated with them and have bodies on them to this day. So what time frame makes it "OK" to go 2 days 1yr 10yrs. A funeral? The governments green light? The insurance companies? The loss is still there no matter who says its ok to go. I don't mean to sound heartless I am far from it but no matter who says "ok" it is a personal choice. Just like pulling crap from wrecks. Some do, some don't, some care, some get pissed about getting there too late.

This discussion seems to have been blown out of proportion and turned around as though those of us even thinking about pulling/finding some cool things are heartless JACKOFFS because there has not been a recovery. BS we do not stop driving down a patch of road for 2yrs because some one went missing on it. I could give many other examples of this but I am sure you get the point.

It doesn't hurt to think of the possibilities it could and does hold. Hell, I see nice ships sailing along quite often that I think would be great to dive. It doesn't mean I want that capt. to lose his ship or anyone to get hurt. It is just the detatched human element that exists in most of us I guess.

In any event if someone can get a dive together on it and needs to fill spots count me in (yeah right like it would be hard to fill spots).

Just my 2

John U.

I know to some I am an A**HOLE so save it!

very well stated....just to clarify things.

If diving was allowed, and i was there and had the chance, i would have done it. but wouldn't go in right now as of the danger of the ship sliding.

sometimes i see ships myself and wonder how great of a wreck they could become!!!

The difference is, that i don't know to some that i am an A**HOLE...

Take care...

Tom Mount · 12th April 2007, 18:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by Outlaw)

very well stated....just to clarify things.

If diving was allowed, and i was there and had the chance, i would have done it. but wouldn't go in right now as of the danger of the ship sliding.

sometimes i see ships myself and wonder how great of a wreck they could become!!!

The difference is, that i don't know to some that i am an A**HOLE...

Take care...

I would also dive her if allowed- and danger of sliding or not would penetrate it- and if the insurance company and authorities would alow assit in trying to find the father and daughter that are missing

barney · 12th April 2007, 18:39

It would appear that the depth is now consistently cited as 320ish (feet). Some reports state she is on her starboard side, however, an underwater image from THETIS indicates she is turtled.

tekdiver170 · 15th April 2007, 20:50

Just another depth estimate. The ships black box was recovered at 280' by remote sub. Reported on April 14th.

barney · 15th April 2007, 22:00

The bulk of the wreck would appear to be between 80 and 120 m. Maximum depth in that entire bay is 155 m. I have some underwater pics on the AUE website of the upper decks at 107 m (remembering she is turtled, so there is a LOT of vessel shallower than this)....

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PaulTG2 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 360	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Hello, This is a good discussion to have... First, there is a suspected loss of life. No one knows where they are. The most likely is on the boat but history is full of stories where people like that turn up alive someplace else... and stories where they don't. I don't think talking about diving on the wreck is disrespectful in any way. If it makes you uncomfortable to read about diving the Sea Diamond this close to the sinking, and possible deaths, then you might want to refrain from opening a discussion thread in the "Rebreather Wreck Diving" board that has a message title "Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece". I imagine every salvage diving company started writing bids the moment they heard the news. I can't see why private divers would be any different. One thing to consider though... beside the dangers of the angle of the ship and bottom (side?) is that it isn't the nice clean wreck most of us are used to. May hazmat issues are involved which we are not used to that commercial divers are. I expect it would be very easy to pickup something nasty. --p
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9th April 2007, 17:52	#43 (permalink)
tekdiver170 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 87	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece This type of tragedy as sick as it can be is every wreck divers dream; a huge diving playground. Since it is a "real" wreck site and not an artificial reef it is not against the norm to have casualties with the accident. Many of you are saying that since people died and their bodies have not been recovered then the wreck should not be dived. I guess this means most of the world class and most sought after wreck dives around the world should be closed to diving, all the wrecks in Truk, Andrea Doria, Empress of Ireland the list goes on. But I do believe we need to wait for the proper channels to release the wreck. Maybe it would be best if the bodies were not recovered, because then this wreck can be determined a grave site where looting and removing items are prohibited. Sorry guys with dollar signs in your eyes, I have always followed the, "take nothing but pictures philosophy."
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9th April 2007, 22:55	#44 (permalink)
barney Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 234	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece If anyone is interested, I am adding updates of this incident to the revised AUE website. I also put up a map from referenced bathymetric charts for this general area, which indicate the 100-m contour runs close to shore, but then it maxes out at 155 m. AUE: ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS Cheers, Mike __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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10th April 2007, 02:05	#45 (permalink)
JOHNU New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tx Posts: 73	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Not trying to pick any fights but I would dive her now if I could. I have read all of the posts and have tried to be objective in the opinions given but I just don't see how it would be unethical to dive now. With this exception. You interupt or inhibit the search/recovery in some way. If diving her now would do this then I would stay away (obviously it does seem a bit early to avoid doing this). Many of us think of the bounty sure, what does that have to do with the missing? Respect? So if you dive it DO NOT be disrespectful of remains you will never find. Statistically speaking of course. It is a tragedy that these people were lost but as stated before many natural wrecks have death associated with them and have bodies on them to this day. So what time frame makes it "OK" to go 2 days 1yr 10yrs. A funeral? The governments green light? The insurance companies? The loss is still there no matter who says its ok to go. I don't mean to sound heartless I am far from it but no matter who says "ok" it is a personal choice. Just like pulling crap from wrecks. Some do, some don't, some care, some get pissed about getting there too late. This discussion seems to have been blown out of proportion and turned around as though those of us even thinking about pulling/finding some cool things are heartless JACKOFFS because there has not been a recovery. BS we do not stop driving down a patch of road for 2yrs because some one went missing on it. I could give many other examples of this but I am sure you get the point. It doesn't hurt to think of the possibilities it could and does hold. Hell, I see nice ships sailing along quite often that I think would be great to dive. It doesn't mean I want that capt. to lose his ship or anyone to get hurt. It is just the detatched human element that exists in most of us I guess. In any event if someone can get a dive together on it and needs to fill spots count me in (yeah right like it would be hard to fill spots). Just my 2 John U. I know to some I am an A**HOLE so save it!
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10th April 2007, 09:07	#46 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 627	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Quote: (Originally Posted by JOHNU) Not trying to pick any fights but I would dive her now if I could. I have read all of the posts and have tried to be objective in the opinions given but I just don't see how it would be unethical to dive now. With this exception. You interupt or inhibit the search/recovery in some way. If diving her now would do this then I would stay away (obviously it does seem a bit early to avoid doing this). Many of us think of the bounty sure, what does that have to do with the missing? Respect? So if you dive it DO NOT be disrespectful of remains you will never find. Statistically speaking of course. It is a tragedy that these people were lost but as stated before many natural wrecks have death associated with them and have bodies on them to this day. So what time frame makes it "OK" to go 2 days 1yr 10yrs. A funeral? The governments green light? The insurance companies? The loss is still there no matter who says its ok to go. I don't mean to sound heartless I am far from it but no matter who says "ok" it is a personal choice. Just like pulling crap from wrecks. Some do, some don't, some care, some get pissed about getting there too late. This discussion seems to have been blown out of proportion and turned around as though those of us even thinking about pulling/finding some cool things are heartless JACKOFFS because there has not been a recovery. BS we do not stop driving down a patch of road for 2yrs because some one went missing on it. I could give many other examples of this but I am sure you get the point. It doesn't hurt to think of the possibilities it could and does hold. Hell, I see nice ships sailing along quite often that I think would be great to dive. It doesn't mean I want that capt. to lose his ship or anyone to get hurt. It is just the detatched human element that exists in most of us I guess. In any event if someone can get a dive together on it and needs to fill spots count me in (yeah right like it would be hard to fill spots). Just my 2 John U. I know to some I am an AHOLE so save it! very well stated....just to clarify things. If diving was allowed, and i was there and had the chance, i would have done it. but wouldn't go in right now as of the danger of the ship sliding. sometimes i see ships myself and wonder how great of a wreck they could become!!! The difference is, that i don't know to some that i am an AHOLE... Take care... __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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12th April 2007, 18:20	#47 (permalink)
Tom Mount New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 96	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Quote: (Originally Posted by Outlaw) very well stated....just to clarify things. If diving was allowed, and i was there and had the chance, i would have done it. but wouldn't go in right now as of the danger of the ship sliding. sometimes i see ships myself and wonder how great of a wreck they could become!!! The difference is, that i don't know to some that i am an A**HOLE... Take care... I would also dive her if allowed- and danger of sliding or not would penetrate it- and if the insurance company and authorities would alow assit in trying to find the father and daughter that are missing
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12th April 2007, 18:39	#48 (permalink)
barney Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 234	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece It would appear that the depth is now consistently cited as 320ish (feet). Some reports state she is on her starboard side, however, an underwater image from THETIS indicates she is turtled. __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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tekdiver170 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 87	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Just another depth estimate. The ships black box was recovered at 280' by remote sub. Reported on April 14th.
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barney Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 234	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece The bulk of the wreck would appear to be between 80 and 120 m. Maximum depth in that entire bay is 155 m. I have some underwater pics on the AUE website of the upper decks at 107 m (remembering she is turtled, so there is a LOT of vessel shallower than this).... __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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