Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece

***caveseeker7*** · 9th April 2007, 07:54

Maybe you guys want to tone down some.

Two people have lost their lifes, so waffling on about a nice new wreck to dive
or the loot to be had is truly tasteless!

I rather doubt it makes a difference for the wife and son if their loved ones
perished on a dive, in a car accident or the sinking of a ship.

Kinda like one of you lot getting lost at sea and the rest of us coming to the rescue ...
of your Meg, your Inspo, your MK, and whatever else nice gear you have.

Maybe we get lucky and it'll be a shore dive, we get to keep the "abandonded" car, too.

You get the idea?

Gobfish1 · 9th April 2007, 09:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Maybe you guys want to tone down some.

Two people have lost their lifes, so waffling on about a nice new wreck to dive
or the loot to be had is truly tasteless!

I rather doubt it makes a difference for the wife and son if their loved ones
perished on a dive, in a car accident or the sinking of a ship.

Kinda like one of you lot getting lost at sea and the rest of us coming to the rescue ...
of your Meg, your Inspo, your MK, and whatever else nice gear you have.

Maybe we get lucky and it'll be a shore dive, we get to keep the "abandonded" car, too.

You get the idea?

Start a new thread man don’t hijack this one ,

***Decodiver*** · 9th April 2007, 09:41

As Stefan has said, let's not forget the human aspect to this tragedy.

Dave Cooper.
Administrator.

***caveseeker7*** · 9th April 2007, 10:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gobfish1)

Start a new thread man don’t hijack this one ,

Nothing off-topic about it, unfortunately wrecks and loss of life come more often than not together.

Outlaw · 9th April 2007, 11:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by rdmmdr)

you people are sick

we have two individuals dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A FATHER AND HIS CHILD DIED.

to even joke about raiding the ship at this point, is in so much bad taste everyone that posted should get red.

rick m

hey rick,

there is no need to get out of order here. i am sure that we all wish that no life was lost on this tragedy. it is indeed very sad. This doesn't stop people from wondering how it would be if the wreck could be given to the public for diving...

there are so many other wrecks in the world, that people lost their lives, and people keep talking about how nice and how "lucky" the area is where the wreck went down, due to the tourism inflation, divers coming over etc, etc.

its a very big and complex topic.

Bottom line, is i do agree with you that is sad, and our heart goes out to the french family, but, it doesn't mean that we are happy about people getting lost or dying if we talk about the wreck and how good a dive might be there...

Hope you get me.
Thanks.

milka · 9th April 2007, 11:44

Seriously guys, i totally gree on the fact of the human side of things... father & son died on this wreck. This is tragic, very sad and i would also like to remind that 1500 people survived too, which is something we can salute on such a rescue... even if it happened in a so we hear on the news "far from perfect" methods

Some of us like spyro or others are wondering and having talks with our wife or so about the wreck. It's a normal thought about a wreck dive or about a dive when we are divers... i don't see the wrong about it, and i feel that it's also simply part of our feelings coming out that way.
Others like chaz were on the wreck and have feelings about it too, and i thank him for taking the time to write a little thing about it.

A friend of mine was in thailand during the Tsunami on phi-phi... he wrote a long text after having been followed and it helped a lot to clear off the tragedy he was keeping in. He posted it on a board and i must admit it did move quite a few people around, it was a great way to understand a little more about the inside view of what happened...

Back to the subject now. Now We do have that ethical concern about people getting down and taking some stuff or not, just diving the wreck or not diving it at all. we are now 3 days from the sinkage and many would argue the idea of going down now.

If we considered the sinkage another way (with no human casualities) woudl that change the way some of you think ? (which would actually in a way shock me more).

Why does the human casuality (which is always sad and tragic, wherever it happens) change the fact of diving for things on the ship or not... It's either ethical or unethical to dive a ship wreck just after it sunk to recover stuff full stop in my view... some might not have anything against it... others might do ... but this should not change anything on the ethics.

I know it's a little bit of a "troll" to ask this ethical, unethical question... but i'm sure it will be interesting to have some ideas about it.

Outlaw · 9th April 2007, 11:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by milka)

Seriously guys, i totally gree on the fact of the human side of things... father & son died on this wreck. This is tragic, very sad and i would also like to remind that 1500 people survived too, which is something we can salute on such a rescue... even if it happened in a so we hear on the news "far from perfect" methods

Some of us like spyro or others are wondering and having talks with our wife or so about the wreck. It's a normal thought about a wreck dive or about a dive when we are divers... i don't see the wrong about it, and i feel that it's also simply part of our feelings coming out that way.
Others like chaz were on the wreck and have feelings about it too, and i thank him for taking the time to write a little thing about it.

A friend of mine was in thailand during the Tsunami on phi-phi... he wrote a long text after having been followed and it helped a lot to clear off the tragedy he was keeping in. He posted it on a board and i must admit it did move quite a few people around, it was a great way to understand a little more about the inside view of what happened...

Back to the subject now. Now We do have that ethical concern about people getting down and taking some stuff or not, just diving the wreck or not diving it at all. we are now 3 days from the sinkage and many would argue the idea of going down now.

If we considered the sinkage another way (with no human casualities) woudl that change the way some of you think ? (which would actually in a way shock me more).

Why does the human casuality (which is always sad and tragic, wherever it happens) change the fact of diving for things on the ship or not... It's either ethical or unethical to dive a ship wreck just after it sunk to recover stuff full stop in my view... some might not have anything against it... others might do ... but this should not change anything on the ethics.

I know it's a little bit of a "troll" to ask this ethical, unethical question... but i'm sure it will be interesting to have some ideas about it.

very good milka,

i totally agree with you. very good way of putting it down. i hope this would clear it for good.

***Decodiver*** · 9th April 2007, 12:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by milka)

Why does the human casuality (which is always sad and tragic, wherever it happens) change the fact of diving for things on the ship or not... It's either ethical or unethical to dive a ship wreck just after it sunk to recover stuff full stop in my view... some might not have anything against it... others might do ... but this should not change anything on the ethics.

For me, the fact that there are outstanding casualties and that the bodies have, as yet, to be recovered, would mean I would not condone diving on the wreck until such time as they are recovered or the search is called off.

When a vessel goes down without casualties then it is open to maritime salvage just like any other and God knows I have spidged more than my share over the years.....

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Gobfish1 · 9th April 2007, 13:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Nothing off-topic about it, unfortunately wrecks and loss of life come more often than not together.

don’t state the obverse , to me
Start your self a new thread

Outlaw · 9th April 2007, 15:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

For me, the fact that there are outstanding casualties and that the bodies have, as yet, to be recovered, would mean I would not condone diving on the wreck until such time as they are recovered or the search is called off.

When a vessel goes down without casualties then it is open to maritime salvage just like any other and God knows I have spidged more than my share over the years.....

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Deco,

the Greek marine police have announced that no diving is allowed on the wreck. so no worries about that one. off course there have to be lots and lots of dives to retrieve the bodies, if they are there and they are dead....this has become an international issue now with Greek authorities being humiliated in front of the whole world as to their methods. Can you imagine what would happen if they don't manage to retrieve the bodies....?

As for me, i knew that these procedures had to be taken. i was talking about (if they decide to leave the wreck there as it is, and if it stops sliding deeper) in time, it would be a great wreck.

That's all.

Cheers
Spyros

9th April 2007, 07:54	#31 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,287	Back home in Texas we just shoot looters! Maybe you guys want to tone down some. Two people have lost their lifes, so waffling on about a nice new wreck to dive or the loot to be had is truly tasteless! I rather doubt it makes a difference for the wife and son if their loved ones perished on a dive, in a car accident or the sinking of a ship. Kinda like one of you lot getting lost at sea and the rest of us coming to the rescue ... of your Meg, your Inspo, your MK, and whatever else nice gear you have. Maybe we get lucky and it'll be a shore dive, we get to keep the "abandonded" car, too. You get the idea? __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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9th April 2007, 09:39	#32 (permalink)
Gobfish1 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 352	Re: Back home in Texas we just shoot looters! Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Maybe you guys want to tone down some. Two people have lost their lifes, so waffling on about a nice new wreck to dive or the loot to be had is truly tasteless! I rather doubt it makes a difference for the wife and son if their loved ones perished on a dive, in a car accident or the sinking of a ship. Kinda like one of you lot getting lost at sea and the rest of us coming to the rescue ... of your Meg, your Inspo, your MK, and whatever else nice gear you have. Maybe we get lucky and it'll be a shore dive, we get to keep the "abandonded" car, too. You get the idea? Start a new thread man don’t hijack this one , __________________ Steve G Apparently not the only gay diver in the village http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/o...nzee-glock.gif http://www.scubatunes.com/audio/vol01/mp3/HiTech.mp3
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9th April 2007, 09:41	#33 (permalink)
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9th April 2007, 11:10	#35 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Quote: (Originally Posted by rdmmdr) you people are sick we have two individuals dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A FATHER AND HIS CHILD DIED. to even joke about raiding the ship at this point, is in so much bad taste everyone that posted should get red. rick m hey rick, there is no need to get out of order here. i am sure that we all wish that no life was lost on this tragedy. it is indeed very sad. This doesn't stop people from wondering how it would be if the wreck could be given to the public for diving... there are so many other wrecks in the world, that people lost their lives, and people keep talking about how nice and how "lucky" the area is where the wreck went down, due to the tourism inflation, divers coming over etc, etc. its a very big and complex topic. Bottom line, is i do agree with you that is sad, and our heart goes out to the french family, but, it doesn't mean that we are happy about people getting lost or dying if we talk about the wreck and how good a dive might be there... Hope you get me. Thanks. __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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9th April 2007, 11:44	#36 (permalink)
milka New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Illetas - Mallorca - Spain Posts: 8	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Seriously guys, i totally gree on the fact of the human side of things... father & son died on this wreck. This is tragic, very sad and i would also like to remind that 1500 people survived too, which is something we can salute on such a rescue... even if it happened in a so we hear on the news "far from perfect" methods Some of us like spyro or others are wondering and having talks with our wife or so about the wreck. It's a normal thought about a wreck dive or about a dive when we are divers... i don't see the wrong about it, and i feel that it's also simply part of our feelings coming out that way. Others like chaz were on the wreck and have feelings about it too, and i thank him for taking the time to write a little thing about it. A friend of mine was in thailand during the Tsunami on phi-phi... he wrote a long text after having been followed and it helped a lot to clear off the tragedy he was keeping in. He posted it on a board and i must admit it did move quite a few people around, it was a great way to understand a little more about the inside view of what happened... Back to the subject now. Now We do have that ethical concern about people getting down and taking some stuff or not, just diving the wreck or not diving it at all. we are now 3 days from the sinkage and many would argue the idea of going down now. If we considered the sinkage another way (with no human casualities) woudl that change the way some of you think ? (which would actually in a way shock me more). Why does the human casuality (which is always sad and tragic, wherever it happens) change the fact of diving for things on the ship or not... It's either ethical or unethical to dive a ship wreck just after it sunk to recover stuff full stop in my view... some might not have anything against it... others might do ... but this should not change anything on the ethics. I know it's a little bit of a "troll" to ask this ethical, unethical question... but i'm sure it will be interesting to have some ideas about it.
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9th April 2007, 11:59	#37 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Quote: (Originally Posted by milka) Seriously guys, i totally gree on the fact of the human side of things... father & son died on this wreck. This is tragic, very sad and i would also like to remind that 1500 people survived too, which is something we can salute on such a rescue... even if it happened in a so we hear on the news "far from perfect" methods Some of us like spyro or others are wondering and having talks with our wife or so about the wreck. It's a normal thought about a wreck dive or about a dive when we are divers... i don't see the wrong about it, and i feel that it's also simply part of our feelings coming out that way. Others like chaz were on the wreck and have feelings about it too, and i thank him for taking the time to write a little thing about it. A friend of mine was in thailand during the Tsunami on phi-phi... he wrote a long text after having been followed and it helped a lot to clear off the tragedy he was keeping in. He posted it on a board and i must admit it did move quite a few people around, it was a great way to understand a little more about the inside view of what happened... Back to the subject now. Now We do have that ethical concern about people getting down and taking some stuff or not, just diving the wreck or not diving it at all. we are now 3 days from the sinkage and many would argue the idea of going down now. If we considered the sinkage another way (with no human casualities) woudl that change the way some of you think ? (which would actually in a way shock me more). Why does the human casuality (which is always sad and tragic, wherever it happens) change the fact of diving for things on the ship or not... It's either ethical or unethical to dive a ship wreck just after it sunk to recover stuff full stop in my view... some might not have anything against it... others might do ... but this should not change anything on the ethics. I know it's a little bit of a "troll" to ask this ethical, unethical question... but i'm sure it will be interesting to have some ideas about it. very good milka, i totally agree with you. very good way of putting it down. i hope this would clear it for good. __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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9th April 2007, 12:14	#38 (permalink)
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Gobfish1 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 352	Re: Back home in Texas we just shoot looters! Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Nothing off-topic about it, unfortunately wrecks and loss of life come more often than not together. don’t state the obverse , to me Start your self a new thread __________________ Steve G Apparently not the only gay diver in the village http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/o...nzee-glock.gif http://www.scubatunes.com/audio/vol01/mp3/HiTech.mp3
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9th April 2007, 15:28	#40 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: Sea Diamond Wreck in Greece Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) For me, the fact that there are outstanding casualties and that the bodies have, as yet, to be recovered, would mean I would not condone diving on the wreck until such time as they are recovered or the search is called off. When a vessel goes down without casualties then it is open to maritime salvage just like any other and God knows I have spidged more than my share over the years..... Cheers, Dave Cooper. Deco, the Greek marine police have announced that no diving is allowed on the wreck. so no worries about that one. off course there have to be lots and lots of dives to retrieve the bodies, if they are there and they are dead....this has become an international issue now with Greek authorities being humiliated in front of the whole world as to their methods. Can you imagine what would happen if they don't manage to retrieve the bodies....? As for me, i knew that these procedures had to be taken. i was talking about (if they decide to leave the wreck there as it is, and if it stops sliding deeper) in time, it would be a great wreck. That's all. Cheers Spyros __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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