AII Sensors

Gobfish1 · 19th November 2007, 08:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gobfish1)

ok thanks Barrie , that all i wanted to know ,

just one more Q

Barry this is from the first post over cell's,

eratic behaviors with some of these oxygen sensors. Upon investigation Analytical Industries determined the cause was a change in their manufacturing process that began in June 2007.

do you think there's a big time lag from you getting to know about the bad cell s,
June to mid November , seem,s like a long time to me ,
do we have some info on the number of bad cell sent back / number sold , as 30% don't mean a thing with out some numbers ,

See first post about cell recall

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/rebre...or-recall.html

Barrie Law · 19th November 2007, 09:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gobfish1)

just one more Q

Barry this is from the first post over cell's,

eratic behaviors with some of these oxygen sensors. Upon investigation Analytical Industries determined the cause was a change in their manufacturing process that began in June 2007.

do you think there's a big time lag from you getting to know about the bad cell s,
June to mid November , seem,s like a long time to me ,
do we have some info on the number of bad cell sent back / number sold , as 30% don't mean a thing with out some numbers ,

Hi Steve,

The 30% is the figure John Routley quoted for APD's returns to Teledyne and I do not have the numbers sold by APD.

I think it is far to early to have a handle on all the issues this raises but we are supporting AII and we believe they are acting in an honest manner they have recieved some feedback from certain quarters in recent weeks and they have acted in a very pro-active way to resolve the situation.

Barrie Law · 19th November 2007, 10:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Is it true (as Ive just been informed) that the guy who died in Malin was using 3 new AI cells?
If so do we know if he toxed?

Drmike.

The two divers who perished diving off the coast of Malin Head, Donegal, Ireland recently are;

Paul Jackson did not buy any Sensors from the Rebreather World store although he had bought equipment from me in the past but not sensors. Died 29/07/2007 RIP

Michael Hanrahan had bought sensors and I had replaced one of the four he had ordered on the 08/06/2007 with batch serial number 70587270.
Without second guessing the inquiry that is ongoing there is video footage of Michael's dive and that does clearly show that CO2 was the cause of his untimely death and as he was a good friend of mine I did contact Myra, Mick's widow to discuss the AII sensor situation with her before the rumour mill had a chance to get going. Died 03/10/2007 RIP.

Drmike · 19th November 2007, 11:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law)

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Is it true (as Ive just been informed) that the guy who died in Malin was using 3 new AI cells?
If so do we know if he toxed?

Drmike.

The two divers who perished diving off the coast of Malin Head, Donegal, Ireland recently are;

Paul Jackson did not buy any Sensors from the Rebreather World store although he had bought equipment from me in the past but not sensors. Died 29/07/2007 RIP

Michael Hanrahan had bought sensors and I had replaced one of the four he had ordered on the 08/06/2007 with batch serial number 70587270.
Without second guessing the inquiry that is ongoing there is video footage of Michael's dive and that does clearly show that CO2 was the cause of his untimely death and as he was a good friend of mine I did contact Myra, Mick's widow to discuss the AII sensor situation with her before the rumour mill had a chance to get going. Died 03/10/2007 RIP.

thanks barrie for those details.

I was wondering how visually CO2 was seen to be the issue? Sorry to hyjack the thread - perhaps youi can answer via pm if wish

Barrie Law · 19th November 2007, 12:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

thanks barrie for those details.

I was wondering how visually CO2 was seen to be the issue? Sorry to hyjack the thread - perhaps youi can answer via pm if wish

Hi Drmike,

PM sent.

lizardland · 21st November 2007, 15:35

Is there any word on when the replacement sensors will be sent out to those that ordered from the Rebreather World Store? I've got a cell that needs replaced but my only spares are AII's from the questionable batch.

Cheers,

Stuart

paulraymaekers · 21st November 2007, 16:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

Is there any word on when the replacement sensors will be sent out to those that ordered from the Rebreather World Store? I've got a cell that needs replaced but my only spares are AII's from the questionable batch.

Cheers,

Stuart

as far as i heard, AI is producing lots of cells at the moment, but they take care to ship GOOD cells!

our tests are nearly final on the first 20 I recieved

after 5 dives (did only 12 hour in between dives on the last test)

16 cells PERFECT (< 1% voltage difference between just before and a few minutes after the 5th 2 hour dive, and over the last 4 dives)
3 cells very good (only 2% diff before and after)
1 cell good but high output (3% diff over the dive )

please notice these are pressure pot dives, not real dives, and our test does not test the current limiting behaviour, the test only tries to filter out fast decreasing cells

I hope I get a similar batch next week !

paul

lizardland · 21st November 2007, 18:16

Hi Paul,

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

as far as i heard, AI is producing lots of cells at the moment, but they take care to ship GOOD cells!

that's great but I've got a cell in my rebreather which is near enough dead and two spare sensors bought from the Rebreather World Store which the RBWS has issued a recall on. Having a dealer issue a recall is good enough reason for me not to use them. Which still leaves me with a dead cell and the probability of having to buy a Teledyne from elsewhere if I'm going to dive this weekend. Hence my original question.

Cheers,

Stuart

Barrie Law · 21st November 2007, 20:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

Hi Paul,

that's great but I've got a cell in my rebreather which is near enough dead and two spare sensors bought from the Rebreather World Store which the RBWS has issued a recall on. Having a dealer issue a recall is good enough reason for me not to use them. Which still leaves me with a dead cell and the probability of having to buy a Teledyne from elsewhere if I'm going to dive this weekend. Hence my original question.

Cheers,

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I have just spoken to AII to get an update about Sensor deliveries and they expect to have all stocks back up to spec by the end of next week.

I understand your frustration at having two spares that are unusable but given the situation I would recommend you send them back to us asap.

We are fully supporting AII's decision to replace sensor stocks and we do appreciate the inconvenience it is causing to divers at the present time but we do believe by working with progressive companies like Analytical Industries Inc we can improve the reliability of our future sensors.

So again thank you for your patience and we will get the replacement sensors out just as soon as they arrive.

Barrie Law · 21st November 2007, 20:38

Any Questions;

There appears to be a lot of uncertainty about exactly what is going on with regard to the AII sensors and the fact that supplies are being replaced. So please feel free to ask the questions and I will pass them to Analytical Industries Inc after the Thanks Giving holiday for them to clear up any confusion;

19th November 2007, 08:42	#11 (permalink)
Gobfish1 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 352	Re: AII Sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by Gobfish1) ok thanks Barrie , that all i wanted to know , just one more Q Barry this is from the first post over cell's, eratic behaviors with some of these oxygen sensors. Upon investigation Analytical Industries determined the cause was a change in their manufacturing process that began in June 2007. do you think there's a big time lag from you getting to know about the bad cell s, June to mid November , seem,s like a long time to me , do we have some info on the number of bad cell sent back / number sold , as 30% don't mean a thing with out some numbers , See first post about cell recall http://www.rebreatherworld.com/rebre...or-recall.html __________________ Steve G Apparently not the only gay diver in the village http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/o...nzee-glock.gif http://www.scubatunes.com/audio/vol01/mp3/HiTech.mp3 Last edited by Gobfish1 : 21st November 2007 at 19:21.
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19th November 2007, 09:52	#12 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Re: AII Sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by Gobfish1) just one more Q Barry this is from the first post over cell's, eratic behaviors with some of these oxygen sensors. Upon investigation Analytical Industries determined the cause was a change in their manufacturing process that began in June 2007. do you think there's a big time lag from you getting to know about the bad cell s, June to mid November , seem,s like a long time to me , do we have some info on the number of bad cell sent back / number sold , as 30% don't mean a thing with out some numbers , Hi Steve, The 30% is the figure John Routley quoted for APD's returns to Teledyne and I do not have the numbers sold by APD. I think it is far to early to have a handle on all the issues this raises but we are supporting AII and we believe they are acting in an honest manner they have recieved some feedback from certain quarters in recent weeks and they have acted in a very pro-active way to resolve the situation. __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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19th November 2007, 10:29	#13 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Re: AII Sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Is it true (as Ive just been informed) that the guy who died in Malin was using 3 new AI cells? If so do we know if he toxed? Drmike. The two divers who perished diving off the coast of Malin Head, Donegal, Ireland recently are; Paul Jackson did not buy any Sensors from the Rebreather World store although he had bought equipment from me in the past but not sensors. Died 29/07/2007 RIP Michael Hanrahan had bought sensors and I had replaced one of the four he had ordered on the 08/06/2007 with batch serial number 70587270. Without second guessing the inquiry that is ongoing there is video footage of Michael's dive and that does clearly show that CO2 was the cause of his untimely death and as he was a good friend of mine I did contact Myra, Mick's widow to discuss the AII sensor situation with her before the rumour mill had a chance to get going. Died 03/10/2007 RIP. __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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19th November 2007, 11:04	#14 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: AII Sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law) Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Is it true (as Ive just been informed) that the guy who died in Malin was using 3 new AI cells? If so do we know if he toxed? Drmike. The two divers who perished diving off the coast of Malin Head, Donegal, Ireland recently are; Paul Jackson did not buy any Sensors from the Rebreather World store although he had bought equipment from me in the past but not sensors. Died 29/07/2007 RIP Michael Hanrahan had bought sensors and I had replaced one of the four he had ordered on the 08/06/2007 with batch serial number 70587270. Without second guessing the inquiry that is ongoing there is video footage of Michael's dive and that does clearly show that CO2 was the cause of his untimely death and as he was a good friend of mine I did contact Myra, Mick's widow to discuss the AII sensor situation with her before the rumour mill had a chance to get going. Died 03/10/2007 RIP. thanks barrie for those details. I was wondering how visually CO2 was seen to be the issue? Sorry to hyjack the thread - perhaps youi can answer via pm if wish __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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19th November 2007, 12:23	#15 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Re: AII Sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) thanks barrie for those details. I was wondering how visually CO2 was seen to be the issue? Sorry to hyjack the thread - perhaps youi can answer via pm if wish Hi Drmike, PM sent. __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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21st November 2007, 15:35	#16 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,189	Re: AII Sensors Is there any word on when the replacement sensors will be sent out to those that ordered from the Rebreather World Store? I've got a cell that needs replaced but my only spares are AII's from the questionable batch. Cheers, Stuart __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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21st November 2007, 16:10	#17 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,384	Re: AII Sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) Is there any word on when the replacement sensors will be sent out to those that ordered from the Rebreather World Store? I've got a cell that needs replaced but my only spares are AII's from the questionable batch. Cheers, Stuart as far as i heard, AI is producing lots of cells at the moment, but they take care to ship GOOD cells! our tests are nearly final on the first 20 I recieved after 5 dives (did only 12 hour in between dives on the last test) 16 cells PERFECT (< 1% voltage difference between just before and a few minutes after the 5th 2 hour dive, and over the last 4 dives) 3 cells very good (only 2% diff before and after) 1 cell good but high output (3% diff over the dive ) please notice these are pressure pot dives, not real dives, and our test does not test the current limiting behaviour, the test only tries to filter out fast decreasing cells I hope I get a similar batch next week ! paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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21st November 2007, 18:16	#18 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,189	Re: AII Sensors Hi Paul, Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) as far as i heard, AI is producing lots of cells at the moment, but they take care to ship GOOD cells! that's great but I've got a cell in my rebreather which is near enough dead and two spare sensors bought from the Rebreather World Store which the RBWS has issued a recall on. Having a dealer issue a recall is good enough reason for me not to use them. Which still leaves me with a dead cell and the probability of having to buy a Teledyne from elsewhere if I'm going to dive this weekend. Hence my original question. Cheers, Stuart __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f**ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler Last edited by lizardland : 21st November 2007 at 18:25.*
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21st November 2007, 20:26	#19 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Re: AII Sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) Hi Paul, that's great but I've got a cell in my rebreather which is near enough dead and two spare sensors bought from the Rebreather World Store which the RBWS has issued a recall on. Having a dealer issue a recall is good enough reason for me not to use them. Which still leaves me with a dead cell and the probability of having to buy a Teledyne from elsewhere if I'm going to dive this weekend. Hence my original question. Cheers, Stuart Hi Stuart, I have just spoken to AII to get an update about Sensor deliveries and they expect to have all stocks back up to spec by the end of next week. I understand your frustration at having two spares that are unusable but given the situation I would recommend you send them back to us asap. We are fully supporting AII's decision to replace sensor stocks and we do appreciate the inconvenience it is causing to divers at the present time but we do believe by working with progressive companies like Analytical Industries Inc we can improve the reliability of our future sensors. So again thank you for your patience and we will get the replacement sensors out just as soon as they arrive. __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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21st November 2007, 20:38	#20 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Re: AII Sensors Any Questions; There appears to be a lot of uncertainty about exactly what is going on with regard to the AII sensors and the fact that supplies are being replaced. So please feel free to ask the questions and I will pass them to Analytical Industries Inc after the Thanks Giving holiday for them to clear up any confusion; __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com Last edited by Barrie Law : 21st November 2007 at 20:40.
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